Chiefs Teicher: Offense is the Chiefs' biggest problem - Page 6

MoreLemonPledge · 05-20-2009, 12:27 PM

I went to the Chiefs’ first full offseason practice wondering more about their defense, but I left with more questions about the offense.

Let’s start with the offensive line: Very thin without Brian Waters there. They’ve got two starters who are over 30 — Damion McIntosh is 32, Mike Goff is 33 — and both those guys had better hold up or the Chiefs might be in some trouble. Very thin as far as depth; very few proven experienced guys as backups.

The receiving group without Tony Gonzalez: I’m wondering, like everybody else, how that’s going to all play out. Dwayne Bowe dropped some balls and made some nice catches also, but he looked a lot like the Dwayne Bowe we saw last year. The Chiefs really need him to be more consistent because you’ve got Mark Bradley and Bobby Engram behind him. Engram is 36. Not a lot of depth there, either.

The running game with Larry Johnson: You’ve heard me say before the Chiefs need Johnson. He’s their running game. I didn’t really see a guy who’s capable of handling the every-down load like Johnson is. They used Jamaal Charles like they did last year as a third-down back.

Matt Cassel didn’t have one of his better days, but he’s the least of the Chiefs’ concerns right now. It was a windy day; I’ve seen him throw indoors since joining the Chiefs at an earlier minicamp, and there’s no problem with Matt Cassel.

Chan Gailey: I have a lot of respect for him. He did a great job turning the offense around last year after a rotten start and all the quarterback problems. But he’s going to have to earn his money again this year, because there are a lot of issues with the Chiefs offensively.

http://www.kansascity.com/sports/chi...y/1206906.html

Not sure if this is a repost or not, but very interesting considering our defense was 2nd worst in the league last year. Your thoughts?

MoreLemonPledge · 05-20-2009, 04:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Claythan

I'd say it's pretty important in judging a running back.

So is consistency, right? Blocking? Receiving?

Mecca · 05-20-2009, 04:54 PM

I remember the last time you were this sure he would do something...he proceeded to get injured.

Honest question which teams do we have a better RB situation than, start listing them off. This Johnson/Charles backfield is not high among the league RB tandems.

Hammock Parties · 05-20-2009, 04:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

I remember the last time you were this sure he would do something...he proceeded to get injured.

Who cares? You were sure he was gonna limp his way around the football field last season and he did the exact opposite.

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This Johnson/Charles backfield is not high among the league RB tandems.

I think it's ready to explode, personally. Charles is the perfect complement to LJ.

Mecca · 05-20-2009, 04:59 PM

Name off the teams the Chiefs have a better RB situation than...I'll start, Seattle.

Saccopoo · 05-20-2009, 04:59 PM

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Originally Posted by kcbubb

Maybe they are thinking that they can late Culpepper get killed this year and bring in another LT next year when Stafford starts. That is if they wait to start him.

I think this is exactly what is going to happen. I sincerely doubt Stafford sees the field this year. Culpepper reported to mini-camp in the best shape of his career and looks good for another year or two while the Lions work the kinks out on both sides of the ball and let Stafford learn about the NFL defenses without getting killed in the process.

I also think that Detroit wasn't going to take a double top three payday hit.

I agree with Mecca that Oher would have been a wonderful choice for them, but I think that Pettigrew gives them a solid blocker and an immediate safety valve for the offense. He'll help Smith and Johnson in opening up the offense from day one. He's going to be a good player and should contribute at a high level immediately.

TRR · 05-20-2009, 05:01 PM

I somewhat agree with what Teicher says. The loss of Tony Gonzalez is devistating (although probably the right move). There is no other offensive threat to come close to TG's production on the team. It will be a carousel of Bradley, Engram, Cottam, and Webb.

There are SOOOO many questions about our offense, I don't even know where to begin...

* Can Bradley stay healthy and become a reliable threat? Does Engram offer anything but a situational receiver?

* What is the offensive line going to be like? Goff is an upgrade, but McIntosh is still at RT. Is Waters going to come out of hiding?

* Can Cottam at least hold down the fort at TE?

* What LJ are we getting? The one that will be suspended half the season, or the one that can stay out of trouble and run with a purpose?

* How well will the offense gel? Cassel is going to be solid, but there are a TON of pieces around him that are up in the air.

Rome wasn't built in a day, but I think as of right now, the offense last season was more set going into mini camp/training camp then it is right now. HUGE question marks will haunt this team throughout the entire training camp, and we as fans won't see what this offense is capable of doing until mid to end of this season, and hopefully some questions can be answered. This offense reminds me a lot of when we traded for Trent Green and signed Priest Holmes. There are some good building blocks here, but KC is way off from completing the structure.

Mecca · 05-20-2009, 05:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Saccogoo

I think this is exactly what is going to happen. I sincerely doubt Stafford sees the field this year. Culpepper reported to mini-camp in the best shape of his career and looks good for another year or two while the Lions work the kinks out on both sides of the ball and let Stafford learn about the NFL defenses without getting killed in the process.

I also think that Detroit wasn't going to take a double top three payday hit.

I agree with Mecca that Oher would have been a wonderful choice for them, but I think that Pettigrew gives them a solid blocker and an immediate safety valve for the offense. He'll help Smith and Johnson in opening up the offense from day one. He's going to be a good player and should contribute at a high level immediately.

I don't think taking Daniel Graham version 2 should be a priority in the first round when you went 0-16 and just drafted what you think is your franchise QB.

Hammock Parties · 05-20-2009, 05:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

Name off the teams the Chiefs have a better RB situation than...I'll start, Seattle.

Oakland.

Denver.

San Diego.

Mecca · 05-20-2009, 05:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Claythan

Oakland.

Denver.

San Diego.

Uh no, I disagree with all of those.

Hammock Parties · 05-20-2009, 05:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

Uh no, I disagree with all of those.

That is because you are stupid.

Mecca · 05-20-2009, 05:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Claythan

That is because you are stupid.

Explain to me what makes the Chiefs RB's better than those teams....this'll be good.

Saccopoo · 05-20-2009, 05:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

I remember the last time you were this sure he would do something...he proceeded to get injured.

Honest question which teams do we have a better RB situation than, start listing them off. This Johnson/Charles backfield is not high among the league RB tandems.

It's not, but that's based on LJ being injured the last couple of seasons. Also that our offense in the past three years hasn't been much to write home about. And I've never been a big LJ fan. Doesn't block, suspect hands, doesn't have a lot of patience finding holes and seems to take him until midway through the second quarter (at the earliest) to get going. That being said, when he gets going, he's a load and runs very effectively for a lot of yardage.

And I like Charles a lot. I think he'll be an excellent change of pace, third down back this next season.

As well, Mike Cox had an exceptional rookie season and only looks to get better with a better coaching game plan.

Also, consider that we'll have a big tight end that will stay home and dedicate himself to run and pass blocking rather than leaking out as the safety valve.

While the national media/pundits aren't super high on the Chiefs running game, I think that it's a pretty good situation and one that will gain a lot of attention as the season progresses, especially if they are able to make some early passes and get the field stretched early on in the season.

Hammock Parties · 05-20-2009, 05:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

Explain to me what makes the Chiefs RB's better than those teams....this'll be good.

No. You will refute it regardless of what I say.

Mecca · 05-20-2009, 05:09 PM

I wanna hear a good reason......

Charles as a 2nd back change of pace guy is fine, I don't like him as a 3rd down back because his receiving ability is pretty suspect. Just the same as him returning kicks wasn't a good idea. He's not CJ Spiller or Felix Jones lets stop trying to use him like he is.

I'm sure Claythan would try to argue experience is better than a rookie but for the RB position it's not, every person on this forum would rather have Moreno than LJ, unless their brain fell out.

Hammock Parties · 05-20-2009, 05:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

Charles as a 2nd back change of pace guy is fine, I don't like him as a 3rd down back because his receiving ability is pretty suspect.

Oh that explains all the catches he made on third down last year. Are you brain dead?

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every person on this forum would rather have Moreno than LJ, unless their brain fell out.

Moreno and his blazing 4.6 speed, you mean?

That guy will NEVER have a 60-yard run in the NFL.

Seriously, there is a REASON the Chiefs didn't sign any free agent running backs. A REASON they didn't draft a RB until the 7th round.

Do you think Scott Pioli is stupid? I'm guessing he took one look at the tape and set "welp, I'm set at running back!"

05-20-2009, 12:27 PM
MoreLemonPledge M-I-Z S-E-C Join Date: Apr 2009 Casino cash: $10004927	Teicher: Offense is the Chiefs' biggest problem I went to the Chiefs’ first full offseason practice wondering more about their defense, but I left with more questions about the offense. Let’s start with the offensive line: Very thin without Brian Waters there. They’ve got two starters who are over 30 — Damion McIntosh is 32, Mike Goff is 33 — and both those guys had better hold up or the Chiefs might be in some trouble. Very thin as far as depth; very few proven experienced guys as backups. The receiving group without Tony Gonzalez: I’m wondering, like everybody else, how that’s going to all play out. Dwayne Bowe dropped some balls and made some nice catches also, but he looked a lot like the Dwayne Bowe we saw last year. The Chiefs really need him to be more consistent because you’ve got Mark Bradley and Bobby Engram behind him. Engram is 36. Not a lot of depth there, either. The running game with Larry Johnson: You’ve heard me say before the Chiefs need Johnson. He’s their running game. I didn’t really see a guy who’s capable of handling the every-down load like Johnson is. They used Jamaal Charles like they did last year as a third-down back. Matt Cassel didn’t have one of his better days, but he’s the least of the Chiefs’ concerns right now. It was a windy day; I’ve seen him throw indoors since joining the Chiefs at an earlier minicamp, and there’s no problem with Matt Cassel. Chan Gailey: I have a lot of respect for him. He did a great job turning the offense around last year after a rotten start and all the quarterback problems. But he’s going to have to earn his money again this year, because there are a lot of issues with the Chiefs offensively. http://www.kansascity.com/sports/chi...y/1206906.html Not sure if this is a repost or not, but very interesting considering our defense was 2nd worst in the league last year. Your thoughts?
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05-20-2009, 04:54 PM	#77
Mecca Hockey Town Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Kansas City, Missouri Casino cash: $-782950	I remember the last time you were this sure he would do something...he proceeded to get injured. Honest question which teams do we have a better RB situation than, start listing them off. This Johnson/Charles backfield is not high among the league RB tandems.
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05-20-2009, 04:59 PM	#79
Mecca Hockey Town Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Kansas City, Missouri Casino cash: $-782950	Name off the teams the Chiefs have a better RB situation than...I'll start, Seattle.
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05-20-2009, 05:01 PM	#81
TRR The Priest and I Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: CO Casino cash: $9420185	I somewhat agree with what Teicher says. The loss of Tony Gonzalez is devistating (although probably the right move). There is no other offensive threat to come close to TG's production on the team. It will be a carousel of Bradley, Engram, Cottam, and Webb. There are SOOOO many questions about our offense, I don't even know where to begin... * Can Bradley stay healthy and become a reliable threat? Does Engram offer anything but a situational receiver? * What is the offensive line going to be like? Goff is an upgrade, but McIntosh is still at RT. Is Waters going to come out of hiding? * Can Cottam at least hold down the fort at TE? * What LJ are we getting? The one that will be suspended half the season, or the one that can stay out of trouble and run with a purpose? * How well will the offense gel? Cassel is going to be solid, but there are a TON of pieces around him that are up in the air. Rome wasn't built in a day, but I think as of right now, the offense last season was more set going into mini camp/training camp then it is right now. HUGE question marks will haunt this team throughout the entire training camp, and we as fans won't see what this offense is capable of doing until mid to end of this season, and hopefully some questions can be answered. This offense reminds me a lot of when we traded for Trent Green and signed Priest Holmes. There are some good building blocks here, but KC is way off from completing the structure.
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05-20-2009, 05:09 PM	#89
Mecca Hockey Town Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Kansas City, Missouri Casino cash: $-782950	I wanna hear a good reason...... Charles as a 2nd back change of pace guy is fine, I don't like him as a 3rd down back because his receiving ability is pretty suspect. Just the same as him returning kicks wasn't a good idea. He's not CJ Spiller or Felix Jones lets stop trying to use him like he is. I'm sure Claythan would try to argue experience is better than a rookie but for the RB position it's not, every person on this forum would rather have Moreno than LJ, unless their brain fell out.
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