Football To the Herm haters. - Page 6

kcbubb · 07-29-2009, 11:37 AM

I'm tired of all the blame going to Herm. Yes, Herm had his share of blunders but the amount of hate that he gets is ridiculous. The biggest mistake that Herm made was underestimating the impact of Jared Allen. And I did too at the time. In 2007, the Chiefs almost had a top 10 defense despite their terrible offense. We know what happened in 2008. But we are quick to forget the defense of 2007. I'm not saying the Herm was a great coach, but he is not as bad as some here believe.

Just to irritate you, lets take a look at what might have been if Herm had stuck around.

-First the acquisition of Cassell never happens. Herm sticks with Thigpen and Gailey runs the system that worked well in the latter half of the season.

-The switch to the 3-4 never happens and the Chiefs continue to run a 4-3 defense.

-Most likely, no notable free agents are picked up.

-Tony Gonzalez remains with the Chiefs.

-The draft rolls around and Herm takes the safe route as usual and picks the following players:

1. Aaron Curry
2. Everette Brown (Herm likes this pick bc of the desperate need for a pass rusher to replace Jared Allen who was lost in 07 and the success of another small DE Dwight Freeney with the Colts where his role model Tony Dungy coached.)
3. Antione Caldwell (Mal Moore leadership award winner is drafted here) Herm kinda player. And can play all line positions but primarily C or G.
4. Louis Murphy (Herm picks a wide out for the needed depth and Murphy provide some speed.)
5. Jasper Brinkley (Tough middle linebacker probably starts.)
6. Andrew Gardner (RT tackle pushes or replaces McIntosh)
7. Captain Munnerlyn (CB and returner)
7. Ricky Jean-Francois (depth at DT)
7. Ryan Succop K

And to top it off. After speaking with Tony Dungy about Michael Vick, who has been mentoring Vick, Herm trusts Dungy and decides to give Vick a shot at backing up Tyler Thigpen.

Would all of this happened... probably not, but it is interesting to think about what might have been if Herm and Carl would have stayed. Again, I don't think Herm is great and I definitely don't think Carl was good, but I do wonder what might have happened. I do like the draft above much better than our current one, and I do like that we still would have Tony G.

kstater · 07-29-2009, 03:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Buzz

Demonpenz, that you?

No, sadly Chiefzilla has always been 2 inches from Herm's cock.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 07-29-2009, 03:53 PM

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Originally Posted by kstater

No, sadly Chiefzilla has always been 2 inches from Herm's cock.

**Mr. Flopnuts** · 07-29-2009, 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by the Talking Can

ok, that is pretty ****ing brilliant

YOU PLAY TO WIN THE GAME!

I can't get enough of that.

Halfcan · 07-29-2009, 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Pestilence

**** Herm.

and **** you.

yep another ghey thread

chiefzilla1501 · 07-29-2009, 03:57 PM

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Originally Posted by billay

Did you watch the games? Herm gave games away. Who the **** plays a close style game while ignoring the QB position, Special teams, and Field Goal kicker. That was Herms doing.

I never said he was a great gameday coach. In fact, I've said many times that it would probably be the thing that always kept him from being anything more than a 1-and-done playoff coach.

But it says a lot that he was able to keep the game close with a pretty shitty talented team that had shitty talent mostly through no fault of his own.

chiefzilla1501 · 07-29-2009, 03:57 PM

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Originally Posted by kstater

No, sadly Chiefzilla has always been 2 inches from Herm's cock.

Because it tastes like rainbow sherbert.

**Bwana** · 07-29-2009, 03:59 PM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

But it says a lot that he was able to keep the game close with a pretty shitty talented team that had shitty talent mostly through no fault of his own.

OMG!

chiefzilla1501 · 07-29-2009, 04:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Bwana

OMG!

The Chiefs ****ed up 10 years of drafts before Herm Edwards came in, leaving Herm Edwards no homegrown talent under the age of 30

The Chiefs ****ed up 5 years of free agency under Vermeil, leaving Herm with a bunch of expensive players who played like shit

Herm Edwards told his GM that the team needed to be hit with a wrecking ball and rebuilt from the ground up. The GM refused and instead kept a bunch of shitty, old veterans on the roster and even signed crappy stopgaps like Damion McIntosh and Napoleon Harris in an effort to "win now."

While this is debatable, I would still argue that Herm Edwards was forced to keep Solari and Gun on board because the GM had a loyalty issue

So you tell me how any coach given a team with primarily 30+ year old players, no young players in the program, and a GM who refused to admit that the team needed to be rebuilt has any chance at winning. Herm should have been allowed to rebuild immediately. He should have been given more power to choose his own coordinators. He shouldn't have been forced to start an old stopgap veteran QB who was there to milk a few wins right away at the expense of developing a young QB. And frankly, while we're being honest, the fact that Carl Peterson hired his friend (Herm Edwards) as a head coach without interviewing anybody else is just another point of proof about how horrible of a GM he was.

**The Bad Guy** · 07-29-2009, 04:21 PM

I'm really at a loss here. Never did I think after Herm and Carl were gone that we would be 2 days from training camp and 2 ratards would sit here defending him.

I guess you're going to also sit here and tell me that Herm left the Jets in wonderful condition too?

bowener · 07-29-2009, 04:28 PM

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Originally Posted by KCtotheSB

NEW TOPIC: Anybody here like Mega Man?

**** YEAH!!!!!!!!

**Skip Towne** · 07-29-2009, 04:29 PM

Marty was under Peterson too. How did he make the playoffs year after year? There is no defending Herm.

milkman · 07-29-2009, 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Skip Towne

Marty was under Peterson too. How did he make the playoffs year after year? There is no defending Herm.

One could argue that the foundation of those Marty led Chiefs was laid from the drafts of the 80s, with only a couple of pieces, most importantly DT, added after Carl and Marty joined the party.

**Bwana** · 07-29-2009, 04:32 PM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

.........

Sure Carl was as much to blame as Herm. Thank God they are both down the road. Now we may have a chance in the next 5 years.

**Skip Towne** · 07-29-2009, 04:33 PM

The Chiefs had been on TV here in Tulsa for the past 20 years. In each of Herm's last two years they were taken off after only a few games. Thanks a lot Herm.

**luv** · 07-29-2009, 04:34 PM

07-29-2009, 11:37 AM
kcbubb Veteran Join Date: Nov 2008 Casino cash: $5166719	To the Herm haters. I'm tired of all the blame going to Herm. Yes, Herm had his share of blunders but the amount of hate that he gets is ridiculous. The biggest mistake that Herm made was underestimating the impact of Jared Allen. And I did too at the time. In 2007, the Chiefs almost had a top 10 defense despite their terrible offense. We know what happened in 2008. But we are quick to forget the defense of 2007. I'm not saying the Herm was a great coach, but he is not as bad as some here believe. Just to irritate you, lets take a look at what might have been if Herm had stuck around. -First the acquisition of Cassell never happens. Herm sticks with Thigpen and Gailey runs the system that worked well in the latter half of the season. -The switch to the 3-4 never happens and the Chiefs continue to run a 4-3 defense. -Most likely, no notable free agents are picked up. -Tony Gonzalez remains with the Chiefs. -The draft rolls around and Herm takes the safe route as usual and picks the following players: 1. Aaron Curry 2. Everette Brown (Herm likes this pick bc of the desperate need for a pass rusher to replace Jared Allen who was lost in 07 and the success of another small DE Dwight Freeney with the Colts where his role model Tony Dungy coached.) 3. Antione Caldwell (Mal Moore leadership award winner is drafted here) Herm kinda player. And can play all line positions but primarily C or G. 4. Louis Murphy (Herm picks a wide out for the needed depth and Murphy provide some speed.) 5. Jasper Brinkley (Tough middle linebacker probably starts.) 6. Andrew Gardner (RT tackle pushes or replaces McIntosh) 7. Captain Munnerlyn (CB and returner) 7. Ricky Jean-Francois (depth at DT) 7. Ryan Succop K And to top it off. After speaking with Tony Dungy about Michael Vick, who has been mentoring Vick, Herm trusts Dungy and decides to give Vick a shot at backing up Tyler Thigpen. Would all of this happened... probably not, but it is interesting to think about what might have been if Herm and Carl would have stayed. Again, I don't think Herm is great and I definitely don't think Carl was good, but I do wonder what might have happened. I do like the draft above much better than our current one, and I do like that we still would have Tony G.
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07-29-2009, 04:21 PM	#84
The Bad Guy Scott Pioli Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: The Copacobana Casino cash: $9283645	I'm really at a loss here. Never did I think after Herm and Carl were gone that we would be 2 days from training camp and 2 ratards would sit here defending him. I guess you're going to also sit here and tell me that Herm left the Jets in wonderful condition too? __________________
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Skip Towne Supporter Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: T-Town Casino cash: $10004900	Marty was under Peterson too. How did he make the playoffs year after year? There is no defending Herm.
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07-29-2009, 04:33 PM	#89
Skip Towne Supporter Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: T-Town Casino cash: $10004900	The Chiefs had been on TV here in Tulsa for the past 20 years. In each of Herm's last two years they were taken off after only a few games. Thanks a lot Herm.
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07-29-2009, 04:34 PM	#90
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