Chiefs At the Quarter Mark: Better or Worse? - Page 6

**OnTheWarpath15** · 05:47 PM

After the Haley hire, you couldn't throw a stick through this place without hitting someone that made the following comment:

"We'll be a better team based on coaching alone," or, "we'll win X amount of games due to coaching alone."

Yes, it's only been 4 games, and this is NOT a call for Haley's head - but is deserved criticism of the way he's prepared this team over the first 4 games of the regular season.

Also, IN NO WAY is the following an endorsement of Herman Edwards. What it is, however, is a giant red flag - this team - of which 60% has been handpicked by Pioli and Haley - is actually worse in almost all statistical categories when compared to the 2008 team after 4 games - which many here claimed were the darkest days of last season. We'll call it, B.S. - or, Before Spread.

Offensively (bolded number is 2009 totals):

1st downs: (63) (62)

3rd down conversions: (25/62 - 40%) (9/51 - 18%)

Total yards: (1145) (986)

Rushing yards: (554) (406)

Passing yards: (591) (580)

Sacks Allowed: (12) (13)

Penalties/Yardage: (10/109) 29/230

Scoring: (16.25 PPG) (16 PPG)

Not a single category in which we've improved over 2008, which happened to include going through 3 QB's - playing the 3rd stringer in 2 of the 4.

Defensively:

1st downs allowed: (74) (85)

3rd down conversions against: (25/54 - 46%) (25/58 - 43%)

Total yards allowed: (1517) (1516)

Rushing yards allowed: (706) (514)

Passing yards allowed: (811) (1002)

Sacks: (3) (5)

Points allowed: (24.25 PPG) (28 PPG)

Turnover margin: (+2) (Even)

Yea! 2 more sacks! And nice to see the 192 yard improvement from the rush defense, only to see 191 of it be given back up by the pass defense.

The 2008 team was apparently so bad that management felt the need to purge 30 players, yet is playing worse with a roster that is 60% their handpicked players?

What message are you trying to send, Todd? It seems like it changes on a weekly ****ing basis.

As someone who predicted a 3 win season, the losses aren't surprising me.

The way we are losing, after hearing the phrase, "we're going to be a big, strong, fast, smart, tough, disciplined football team" IS surprising me.

There is no improvement over the "Dark Ages" of last season in ANY of those areas. And there's no excuse for it, especially the lack of discipline. Make 'em run some more, Todd - it seems to be working...

Enough excuses - enough with the "messages" - enough petty bullshit sitting players - time to see some ****ing improvement. Not necessarily wins.

IMPROVEMENT.

mikey23545 · 10-05-2009, 04:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Positive.

That team started 1-6 and finished 6-10. They didn't know how to use Priest until the Redskins game.

If you want to get into serious stats like those that OTWP broke out, here's a link:

http://www.databasefootball.com/team...lg=NFL&yr=2001

Damn nice website...rep.

**Rausch** · 10-05-2009, 04:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mikey23545

Haley's trying to send a message.

I liked the onside kick.

Didn't work, didn't help, but he was trying.

I don't like the predictable ruts he gets into with his playcalling.

For an hour the guy will decide to find every way possible to run out of the shotgun with LJ.

Why?

LJ prefers a FB, multiple carries, and has a $#it O line to work with. If this pistol/spread/shotgun offense is what Haley wants trade LJ, move Charles in there, and quit being stubborn about fitting square pegs in round holes...

**Rausch** · 10-05-2009, 04:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

IMO, the Chiefs should be running the spread 90% of the time, excluding goal line situations.

This line sucks ass and The Spread at least gives Cassel a chance to complete passes.

If so then lets do it. I don't think we have the talent for it but find what we're trying to be and ****ing commit to it. If that's the plan then let's use the best talent for it and not shift from 1st gear to 3rd, back to 2nd, up to 5th, etc.

The playcalling looks like Gunther's insane press conferences sounded...

htismaqe · 10-05-2009, 04:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Positive.

That team started 1-6 and finished 6-10. They didn't know how to use Priest until the Redskins game.

If you want to get into serious stats like those that OTWP broke out, here's a link:

http://www.databasefootball.com/team...lg=NFL&yr=2001

The 2001 team was 16th in points. They were 5th in yards.

**Rausch** · 10-05-2009, 04:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by keg in kc

I don't think going pro-set or I-formation would work any better.

I disagree. In the short term I think making things simpler and infusing Haley's way into this team over time might be most productive.

I could be wrong.

Quote:

Originally Posted by keg in kc

Cox isn't very good and we don't have a tight end who can block worth a shit. And I don't think they'd slow down the pass rush an iota on playaction unless the running plays started to actually work.

Cox is a good athlete but not much of a blocking FB. A good blocking FB is still inexpensive and why teams neglect them is beyond me...

**DaneMcCloud** · 10-05-2009, 04:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by htismaqe

The 2001 team was 16th in points. They were 5th in yards.

Ooops.

I guess I didn't sort like I thought I did.

Direckshun · 10-05-2009, 05:01 PM

This is dumb.

We played three of the top five defenses in the league in the first month.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 10-05-2009, 05:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Direckshun

This is dumb.

We played three of the top five defenses in the league in the first month.

San Diego didn't seem to have a problem racking up nearly 450 passing yards against Baltimore

NO didn't seem to have a problem putting up 48 against Philly

Dallas didn't seem to struggle running all over the Giants and dropping 31 on them.

Those defenses aren't top 5 because they're necessarily great defenses. One of the reasons why they are so high is because they played our sorry asses.

Did we break 200 YPG against any of those ****s?

chiefzilla1501 · 10-05-2009, 06:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

San Diego didn't seem to have a problem racking up nearly 450 passing yards against Baltimore

NO didn't seem to have a problem putting up 48 against Philly

Dallas didn't seem to struggle running all over the Giants and dropping 31 on them.

Those defenses aren't top 5 because they're necessarily great defenses. One of the reasons why they are so high is because they played our sorry asses.

Did we break 200 YPG against any of those ****s?

Philly, NY, and Baltimore are known year in and year out for fielding outstanding defenses. Baltimore's defense, I don't think, is as good as year's passed. But that's a touch benchmark if we're expected to put up as many points as Dallas or especially New Orleans. Most offenses struggle against those 3 defenses.

Tiger's Fan · 10-05-2009, 06:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

San Diego didn't seem to have a problem racking up nearly 450 passing yards against Baltimore

NO didn't seem to have a problem putting up 48 against Philly

Dallas didn't seem to struggle running all over the Giants and dropping 31 on them.

Those defenses aren't top 5 because they're necessarily great defenses. One of the reasons why they are so high is because they played our sorry asses.

Did we break 200 YPG against any of those ****s?

Are you really this stupid?

Some chick should kick your ass again.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 10-05-2009, 06:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

Philly, NY, and Baltimore are known year in and year out for fielding outstanding defenses. Baltimore's defense, I don't think, is as good as year's passed. But that's a touch benchmark if we're expected to put up as many points as Dallas or especially New Orleans. Most offenses struggle against those 3 defenses.

The same Dallas offense that put up 10 last week? Or 13 against Carolina?

'Hamas' Jenkins · 10-05-2009, 06:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Buster Hymen

Are you really this stupid?

Please, continue to obfuscate and say absolutely nothing, you stupid ****. It's not like it's completely transparent or anything.

Mecca · 10-05-2009, 06:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Please, continue to obfuscate and say absolutely nothing, you stupid ****. It's not like it's completely transparent or anything.

If you haven't noticed that is how he posts, he never has a take or a view on anything.

chiefbowe82 · 10-05-2009, 06:37 PM

hey mecca can i get you to evaluate a player for me?

boogblaster · 10-05-2009, 07:25 PM

There was improvement this week ... very little but some ... the draws in the fourth killed us ... plus the first play of the game ... our D gave up too many running plays ... we had a couple bad calls from the refs ... but still I see a small improvement ....

10-05-2009, 01:50 PM
OnTheWarpath15 MVP Join Date: Sep 2005 Casino cash: $2031115	At the Quarter Mark: Better or Worse? After the Haley hire, you couldn't throw a stick through this place without hitting someone that made the following comment: "We'll be a better team based on coaching alone," or, "we'll win X amount of games due to coaching alone." Yes, it's only been 4 games, and this is NOT a call for Haley's head - but is deserved criticism of the way he's prepared this team over the first 4 games of the regular season. Also, IN NO WAY is the following an endorsement of Herman Edwards. What it is, however, is a giant red flag - this team - of which 60% has been handpicked by Pioli and Haley - is actually worse in almost all statistical categories when compared to the 2008 team after 4 games - which many here claimed were the darkest days of last season. We'll call it, B.S. - or, Before Spread. Offensively (bolded number is 2009 totals): 1st downs: (63) (62) 3rd down conversions: (25/62 - 40%) (9/51 - 18%) Total yards: (1145) (986) Rushing yards: (554) (406) Passing yards: (591) (580) Sacks Allowed: (12) (13) Penalties/Yardage: (10/109) 29/230 Scoring: (16.25 PPG) (16 PPG) Not a single category in which we've improved over 2008, which happened to include going through 3 QB's - playing the 3rd stringer in 2 of the 4. Defensively: 1st downs allowed: (74) (85) 3rd down conversions against: (25/54 - 46%) (25/58 - 43%) Total yards allowed: (1517) (1516) Rushing yards allowed: (706) (514) Passing yards allowed: (811) (1002) Sacks: (3) (5) Points allowed: (24.25 PPG) (28 PPG) Turnover margin: (+2) (Even) Yea! 2 more sacks! And nice to see the 192 yard improvement from the rush defense, only to see 191 of it be given back up by the pass defense. The 2008 team was apparently so bad that management felt the need to purge 30 players, yet is playing worse with a roster that is 60% their handpicked players? What message are you trying to send, Todd? It seems like it changes on a weekly **ing basis. As someone who predicted a 3 win season, the losses aren't surprising me. The way we are losing, after hearing the phrase, "we're going to be a big, strong, fast, smart, tough, disciplined football team" IS surprising me. There is no improvement over the "Dark Ages" of last season in ANY of those areas. And there's no excuse for it, especially the lack of discipline. Make 'em run some more, Todd - it seems to be working... Enough excuses - enough with the "messages" - enough petty bullshit sitting players - time to see some *ing improvement. Not necessarily wins. IMPROVEMENT. Last edited by OnTheWarpath15; 10-05-2009 at 05:47 PM..*
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boogblaster MVP Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Verdigris Valley Campsite Casino cash: $10004900	There was improvement this week ... very little but some ... the draws in the fourth killed us ... plus the first play of the game ... our D gave up too many running plays ... we had a couple bad calls from the refs ... but still I see a small improvement .... __________________ WR or S please
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