White is Right?

[MikeMaslowski]

I have thought about this topic often and see the discussions come and go. Why are an overwhelming majority of NFL QB's white? There is no other sport that I can think of where a single position is dominated by a certain race. I understand that individual sports are saturated with certain races but I think QB in the NFL is unique. You don't see Asians overpopulating the pitchers mound in the MLB or Hispanics holding down the power forward position in the NBA, so why Caucasians and the QB position?

Is it ideological, i.e. "Owners want white QB's to rep the franchise, White QB's usually come from a rich neighborhood and had a better opportunity to learn how to lead" etc.

or

Biological? "White guys have an extra tendon in their throwing arm, Black players are naturally faster so they run more than throw which leaves them at a disadvantage" or some crazy stuff like that.

What do you think?

Have another beer on me!

Maz

[Hammock Parties]

[Chiefnj2]

Originally Posted by ClevelandBronco

I've never been able to figure out why the majority of defensive linemen seems to be African American and the majority of offensive linemen seems to be white.

The OL go to the same summer camps as the rich QB's.

[BigRedChief]

Originally Posted by RJ

Most of my favorite athletes growing up were black, probably because I admired speed and aspired to play the games the way they did. Gibson was my favorite pitcher, but I never wanted to be a pitcher. Pitching was dull to me. I wanted to play positions that rewarded speed and good hands.

Those were good days to be a Chiefs and Cardinals fan, huh?

man I remember very fondly listening to Harry Carey and Jack Buck broadcasting the games, staying up to listen to the games on the radio on school nights, watching Otis on Sundays. If only life was as carefree as back then....

[RJ]

Originally Posted by BigRedChief

man I remember very fondly listening to Harry Carey and Jack Buck broadcasting the games, staying up to listen to the games on the radio on school nights, watching Otis on Sundays. If only life was as carefree as back then....

Ah, memories.....when summers went on forever, and all my favorite teams were actually worth a shit.

[SDChiefs]

Originally Posted by Deberg_1990

Where are all the black hockey players?

Wayne Simmons on the Kings

[JohnnyV13]

In the late 80's, SI ran a controversial story about a scientist who looked at the origin/insertion points of muscles around the knee. He found that blacks generally had insertion points about 30% farther from the joint than whites on average.

Someone with an insertion point 30 percent farther from the joint, gets a 30 percent torque advantage, even if they have the same muscle capacity, to generate force. Hence, said person will probably run faster and jump higher.

A number of black athletes took exception to this article, because they thought it was just another way to dismiss their athletic success based upon physical superiority and to diminish their hard work and intelligence in playing the game.

Yet, if this research is accurate, it could go a long way to explain why blacks dominate track and field events on the international level, yet don't dominate in events like shot put and javelin throwing.

Applied to football, it could explain why quarterbacks and o linemen have higher percentages of whites than any other position. Quarterbacks don't need to run fast, their primary skill is throwing the ball. Since the majority of people in the US are white, you will end up with more white QBs.

O linemen need size, and quickness, but don't need hte explosive speed that top d linemen need. In every other position, speed is very important.

Even so, safeties don't need the speed that corners require, hence you see more white safeties than corners.

Think about this on a street level: how many white guys can run with the black guys in pickup basketball? In my experience, the answer is "not many".

[Lbedrock1]

Originally Posted by CoMoChief

Sporting Events that Blacks tend to stay away from...

Golf - Minus Tiger Woods, Vijay and maybe a couple others, whom Tiger ironically is the best golfer ever, but for the most part this sport is 99.99999% white

Bowling - I can't really name anymore than 2-3 pro bowlers, but I've never seen blacks at a bowling alley unless they were with some of their white friends.

Swimming - like I said in my previous post, from what I've seen blacks aren't very good swimmers, though in HS state swimming championships there was this black kid from a STL school that was VERY fast in the 50 free. Swam like a High 21 sec 50 free.

NASCAR - (Unless you're Lamanjio Smith, who won the Kenyan 600 - Anyone who hasn't heard the Mr. Bergis NASCAR prank phone call needs to Youtube it, language NSFW, and there are racial slurs but it's absolutely hilarious.) NASCAR's isn't really a sport. It's just a competition/event.

Hockey - Besides that Florida Panthers player listed above, I've never seen a black hockey player. Unless you count Manute Bol

Then you can also add just about any Winter Olympics event, though you can add the fact that blacks are in just about EVERY summer olympics event......face it.....Blacks hate the cold weather. There aren't any black ice skaters (unless they're female I guess, but I can't remember of any off the top of my head but then again I don't watch figure skating at all)

You are wrong, blacks dont stay away from these sports these sport cost money to get envolved with so it is strictly economics. If you had told me i could make millions playing golf and gave me the money it takes to get good i would have loved playing and competing in golf. Today you have more blacks playing golf then ever I being one of them. Think about sports and then the economics behind it. If i had the means I would love to be a race car driver in nascar. Soccer was never my thing but i know alot of black people who love to play. Young black men gravitate to basketball and football mostly because it cost very little to play all you need is a football or basketball a goal (which you can find at almost every park) and some land.

[BillSelfsTrophycase]

Originally Posted by RJ

Greg Coleman.

Donald Igwebuike

[MichaelH]

Originally Posted by JohnnyV13

In the late 80's, SI ran a controversial story about a scientist who looked at the origin/insertion points of muscles around the knee. He found that blacks generally had insertion points about 30% farther from the joint than whites on average.

Someone with an insertion point 30 percent farther from the joint, gets a 30 percent torque advantage, even if they have the same muscle capacity, to generate force. Hence, said person will probably run faster and jump higher.

A number of black athletes took exception to this article, because they thought it was just another way to dismiss their athletic success based upon physical superiority and to diminish their hard work and intelligence in playing the game.

Yet, if this research is accurate, it could go a long way to explain why blacks dominate track and field events on the international level, yet don't dominate in events like shot put and javelin throwing.

Applied to football, it could explain why quarterbacks and o linemen have higher percentages of whites than any other position. Quarterbacks don't need to run fast, their primary skill is throwing the ball. Since the majority of people in the US are white, you will end up with more white QBs.

O linemen need size, and quickness, but don't need hte explosive speed that top d linemen need. In every other position, speed is very important.

Even so, safeties don't need the speed that corners require, hence you see more white safeties than corners.

Think about this on a street level: how many white guys can run with the black guys in pickup basketball? In my experience, the answer is "not many".

I agree with your post 100%. But the thing I find interesting is that the truth is being reported and no racism is being called. The truth being that black athletes are superior in many different ways than white athletes and the white posters can accept this. If the posts said the opposite I don't believe this topic would be as civil. I find that a bit sad.

[kcfanXIII]

Originally Posted by MikeMaslowski

Why?


I believe a more compelling thought was the fact that the NFL is largely African American and the "most important" player on most NFL teams is white.

I have to admit that the kicker thing through me off... Where are all the black kickers?

maybe the league should institute a rule requiring teams to try out black kickers, just to get their numbers up...

addressing the OP, i think it has to do with the physical requirements of the position. i don't think its racist at all to say black people are faster than white people. i think thats pretty much a given. players with more athletic talent are going to play positions that demand more speed and agility. speed is very important to a wr who is running down field, not so much to a guy who is being asked to stand back there and throw a majority of the time. so logic would tell us to put the speed at wr and rb on offense. just my opinion. don't take me for a racist, i'm not. i just call it like i see it.

[Marcellus]

I am sure this has been posted but I believe there are zero white CB's in the NFL.

Thats interesting too.

[Hound333]

Originally Posted by ChiefPote

Maybe back in those days, blacks weren't allowed in white pools and he felt uncomfortable. Maybe he thought you white people were trying to trick him into the pool so you could drown him.

Look, I'm a white guy and this thread is making me uncomfortable. I had to make sure the date on my computer said 2009 and not 1968.

Most of the black guys I know tell me that the reason they don't swim is because their parents don't put them in swimming lessons as kids. (talking on average here) The swimming lesson stuff is mostly a white deal.

[RJ]

Originally Posted by Carls20yearplan

Donald Igwebuike

I couldn't remember that dude's name!

[Ralphy Boy]

Don't care to read the entire thread but aren't most starting centers in the NFL white as well?

[MikeMaslowski]

Originally Posted by patteeu

That's kind of the point of the question. It's not completely clear from the OP, but later he points out that the majority of NFL players are black so the fact that a single position is mostly white seems different than in other sports where one race dominates (e.g. blacks in basketball or whites in swimming).

Thank you.