Chiefs Why people are disappointed: Exhibit A - Talent Evaluation - Page 6

**OnTheWarpath15** · 12-14-2009, 11:24 AM

Since there seems to be several myths, excuses and some flat-out lies about why some folks are pissed off about this team right now, I thought I'd put together a few threads explaining, as clearly as I can, where people are coming from.

One of the bigger excuses is the infamous, "Pioli inherited a shitty team."

Let me make this clear: I do not disagree.

However, that doesn't excuse the Executive of the Decade for the team being no better now than it was this time last year - and you could make an argument that it is worse.

And one of the reasons why this team still sucks is simple:

The Executive of the Decade missed BADLY on talent evaluation.

I just spent a few minutes researching the transactions Pioli has made since taking the job, and it's even worse than I originally thought.

Counting draft picks, trades and signings, Pioli is responsible for FORTY FIVE new players to this organization.

And of these 45, it's fair to say that only Succop and Chambers are clear upgrades to their predecessors.

Two. Out of forty-five.

That's a whopping 4% success rate.

I'm sorry, but blaming Herm here is ridiculous. The best players on this team are Herm's players.

Looking at the current roster - including the active roster, PS and IR - 54% of the players currently in this organization are Pioli's.

Exactly half of the current starting 22 are Pioli's.

And this team is ONE win better than a 2008 squad that featured Tyler ****ing Thigpen at QB, and employed Gunther Cunningham as the DC.

With the majority being Pioli's hand-picked players.

Let the excuses flow like fine wine.

Discus.

This ought to be fun - let's hit that Millionth post.

tooge · 12-14-2009, 03:21 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

Many of us knew all these things before Pioli was ever hired.

Like I've said before, it's not rocket science.

Like I've said, I agree with much of what you originally posted. However, pestilence posted about some things he would like done, and I agree. Bring in a proven 3-4 D coord, get a playmaker WR, playmaker safety, and some competent O linemen, and Pioli is gonna look like a genius again and all of us KC fans are gonna be praising him. All things he can and I believe will do this offseason.

ChiefsCountry · 12-14-2009, 03:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Bugeater

Well then I'm obviously confused, which isn't very surprising. I find it hard to believe it isn't a factor at all though.

Its not how much, its why did they blow their load on two players instead of spreading it out for better players.

**DaneMcCloud** · 12-14-2009, 03:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Bugeater

Does George Blowfish not know what he's talking about?

Dane, you said we're $41M under the cap, and I swear I just saw something posted earlier where Clark's contributions to the renovations is $40M, if that's true don't you think it's just a little more than a coincidence?

Actually in December 2008, Hunt dropped another $75 million of his personal money into the stadium renovations and at that point, I posted that we'd see little if any free agency movement.

But that's NOT because of a lack of money. It's because the Hunts are notoriously cheap.

Furthermore, like OTWP stated, I highly doubt that after years of being pursued for a GM position, Scott Pioli would take a job with the caveat of not being able to spend money.

For proof, they shelled out over $30 million alone this year for Cassel and Jackson.

I personally believe that Pioli & Haley not only did a poor job of evaluating the talent available in the 2009 draft, but they also did a poor job of evaluating the existing talent on the roster.

Starting Niswanger and cutting Pollard being just two examples.

Titty Meat · 12-14-2009, 03:34 PM

Pollard deserved to go Dane. He ****ing sucked.

**DaneMcCloud** · 12-14-2009, 03:37 PM

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Originally Posted by billay

Pollard deserved to go Dane. He ****ing sucked.

How can you explain the fact that his play is far from "sucking" in Texas?

The coaches sucked. The scheme sucked. The players in front of him sucked.

Those factors cannot be blamed on Pollard.

Although some people will still do so.

Titty Meat · 12-14-2009, 03:39 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

How can you explain the fact that his play is far from "sucking" in Texas?

The coaches sucked. The scheme sucked. The players in front of him sucked.

Those factors cannot be blamed on Pollard.

Although some people will still do so.

It's the coaches fault he missed all those tackles? Not to mention he would talk shit when the team was getting there ass kicked. He was a toilet bowl that needed to be flushed and it's a good thing this regime did it. Far from sucking in Texas isn't really true either. If you watched the game where Chris Johnson ran all over them he was nowhere to be found.

**Bugeater** · 12-14-2009, 03:39 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Actually in December 2008, Hunt dropped another $75 million of his personal money into the stadium renovations and at that point, I posted that we'd see little if any free agency movement.

But that's NOT because of a lack of money. It's because the Hunts are notoriously cheap.

Furthermore, like OTWP stated, I highly doubt that after years of being pursued for a GM position, Scott Pioli would take a job with the caveat of not being able to spend money.

For proof, they shelled out over $30 million alone this year for Cassel and Jackson.

I personally believe that Pioli & Haley not only did a poor job of evaluating the talent available in the 2009 draft, but they also did a poor job of evaluating the existing talent on the roster.

Starting Niswanger and cutting Pollard being just two examples.

The thing is, the two statements I bolded (which I both believe to be true) contradict each other. Something just doesn't add up here.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 12-14-2009, 03:39 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Actually in December 2008, Hunt dropped another $75 million of his personal money into the stadium renovations and at that point, I posted that we'd see little if any free agency movement.

But that's NOT because of a lack of money. It's because the Hunts are notoriously cheap.

Furthermore, like OTWP stated, I highly doubt that after years of being pursued for a GM position, Scott Pioli would take a job with the caveat of not being able to spend money.

For proof, they shelled out over $30 million alone this year for Cassel and Jackson.

I personally believe that Pioli & Haley not only did a poor job of evaluating the talent available in the 2009 draft, but they also did a poor job of evaluating the existing talent on the roster.

Starting Niswanger and cutting Pollard being just two examples.

But Dane, they'd rather have guys who are good citizens and don't talk back to coaches over talented players.

It took an injury to get Goff out of the lineup, and interestingly enough, ever since he's been out, Cassel's time to throw has almost ****ing tripled.

It took some gay slurs to get LJ out of the lineup, and what do you know, the running game is producing.

We're in an evaluation year, yet they won't give playing time to the players that need to be evaluated.

I'm starting to think Whitlock was right about the "ego" thing - can't wait to see the piece he puts together after the Denver game.

Titty Meat · 12-14-2009, 03:40 PM

Another thing, When Pollard sucked here none of you were blaming the coaches.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 12-14-2009, 03:42 PM

Defending the asinine moves of incompetent personnel people is like curry to a pisshead for this fan base.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 12-14-2009, 03:43 PM

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Originally Posted by billay

Another thing, When Pollard sucked here none of you were blaming the coaches.

If only you knew the invectives that were hurled at Gunther and Herm for playing our personnel in a ****ing Tampa 2 when it should have been a man-pressure, blitzing scheme.

Titty Meat · 12-14-2009, 03:44 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

If only you knew the invectives that were hurled at Gunther and Herm for playing our personnel in a ****ing Tampa 2 when it should have been a man-pressure, blitzing scheme.

Reguardless it was a consesus that Pollard sucked.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 12-14-2009, 03:45 PM

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Originally Posted by billay

Another thing, When Pollard sucked here none of you were blaming the coaches.

Actually, some of us were, because he was being mis-used.

He was being used more in coverage and not enough in run support.

Yet, for all that, and the supposed issue of missing tackles, he still lead the team.

He's in Houston for one reason, and one reason only:

He mouthed off to Clancy Pendergast.

And after what we've seen this year, it probably was deserved.

Titty Meat · 12-14-2009, 03:48 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

Actually, some of us were, because he was being mis-used.

He was being used more in coverage and not enough in run support.

Yet, for all that, and the supposed issue of missing tackles, he still lead the team.

He's in Houston for one reason, and one reason only:

He mouthed off to Clancy Pendergast.

And after what we've seen this year, it probably was deserved.

I would like to see posts where people were saying "If only we had good coaches Pollard would be a good player." Because from what I remember everyone was glad that the new regime was bringing in competiton to take Pollards spot.

Since Mike Brown leads the team in tackles does that mean he's not a bad tackler?

'Hamas' Jenkins · 12-14-2009, 03:51 PM

I bitched and bitched about Pollard being misused. Finally, I figured that it couldn't be all on coaches, and claimed him a bust as a safety (although still a PB-caliber STer).

I was wrong. I should have just stuck to my initial belief.

12-14-2009, 11:24 AM
OnTheWarpath15 MVP Join Date: Sep 2005 Casino cash: $2031115	Why people are disappointed: Exhibit A - Talent Evaluation Since there seems to be several myths, excuses and some flat-out lies about why some folks are pissed off about this team right now, I thought I'd put together a few threads explaining, as clearly as I can, where people are coming from. One of the bigger excuses is the infamous, "Pioli inherited a shitty team." Let me make this clear: I do not disagree. However, that doesn't excuse the Executive of the Decade for the team being no better now than it was this time last year - and you could make an argument that it is worse. And one of the reasons why this team still sucks is simple: The Executive of the Decade missed BADLY on talent evaluation. I just spent a few minutes researching the transactions Pioli has made since taking the job, and it's even worse than I originally thought. Counting draft picks, trades and signings, Pioli is responsible for FORTY FIVE new players to this organization. And of these 45, it's fair to say that only Succop and Chambers are clear upgrades to their predecessors. Two. Out of forty-five. That's a whopping 4% success rate. I'm sorry, but blaming Herm here is ridiculous. The best players on this team are Herm's players. Looking at the current roster - including the active roster, PS and IR - 54% of the players currently in this organization are Pioli's. Exactly half of the current starting 22 are Pioli's. And this team is ONE win better than a 2008 squad that featured Tyler ****ing Thigpen at QB, and employed Gunther Cunningham as the DC. With the majority being Pioli's hand-picked players. Let the excuses flow like fine wine. Discus. This ought to be fun - let's hit that Millionth post.
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'Hamas' Jenkins Now you've pissed me off! Join Date: Jan 2006 Casino cash: $7129572	Defending the asinine moves of incompetent personnel people is like curry to a pisshead for this fan base. __________________ "When the Know-Nothings get control, it will read 'all men are created equal, except negroes, and foreigners, and Catholics.' When it comes to this I should prefer emigrating to some country where they make no pretense of loving liberty – to Russia, for instance, where despotism can be taken pure, and without the base alloy of hypocrisy.”--Abraham Lincoln
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'Hamas' Jenkins Now you've pissed me off! Join Date: Jan 2006 Casino cash: $7129572	I bitched and bitched about Pollard being misused. Finally, I figured that it couldn't be all on coaches, and claimed him a bust as a safety (although still a PB-caliber STer). I was wrong. I should have just stuck to my initial belief. __________________ "When the Know-Nothings get control, it will read 'all men are created equal, except negroes, and foreigners, and Catholics.' When it comes to this I should prefer emigrating to some country where they make no pretense of loving liberty – to Russia, for instance, where despotism can be taken pure, and without the base alloy of hypocrisy.”--Abraham Lincoln
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