Mike Mayock comments on top 3 QBs. - Page 6

Chiefnj2 · 01-21-2010, 12:38 PM

Out of the 3 top qb's comming into the draft who can you see as the biggest RISK pick Bradford,Mccoy,Clausen?

Mike Mayock, NFL Network
Hey Fred, interesting question. I like Jimmy Clausen, but I see him as the biggest risk. Even though he comes out of a pro-style offense. Bradford is very, very solid. And I think McCoy is a little bit mroe of a developmental play, but easily the best athlete of the three. Clausen, for me, needs to be more consistent in the pocket and needs to make more consistent throws.

So, Mayock thinks Clausen is a bigger risk/bust potential than Bradford and McCoy.

Mecca · 01-21-2010, 08:45 PM

I fully think he could get a 1st round grade, I don't think he'd go in the top 10 because of his weight so he'd probably end up going in the teens or 20's to a good team looking for a QB.

**DeezNutz** · 01-21-2010, 08:53 PM

That would probably be the ideal situation for him. Get going on an NFL weight-training program, add muscle. No pressure to step in too soon.

KJROD20 · 01-22-2010, 12:04 PM

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If we're picking top 10 next year we better be picking AJ Green or Julio Jones.

As good as Green is, I think Michael Floyd is the best of the potential 2011 guys. Unfortunately I don't think he'll put up the numbers he was putting up in '09 in '10, due to a new system, new QB, etc.

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Ideally, the Chiefs have the following run of picks (IMO)

2010: Berry
2011: Jones, Green, Floyd
2012: Gabbert

And FWIW, I'd probably take Tony Pike or Jevan Snead over Colt McCoy.

Gabbert over possibly Matt Barkley?

'Hamas' Jenkins · 01-22-2010, 02:08 PM

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Gabbert over possibly Matt Barkley?

Unquestionably

**AustinChief** · 01-26-2011, 06:50 PM

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Originally Posted by AustinChief

btw, if Albert doesn't improve significantly (meaning, play like he did the last couple of games) then I have no problem picking an OT with our first... I'd really like to see if Nate Solder keeps improving and if his frame can handle anymore weight (6'9" and 305 is a bit light for me)

Bumpity bump... I am still liking Solder but he is still way too light for me... obviously, we have a ton of holes to fill and NT, WR seem a bigger priority to me... but I wouldn't cry one bit if we took Solder

'Hamas' Jenkins · 01-26-2011, 10:08 PM

Nate Solder?? That guy got his cock pulled through his ass almost every game I saw him play.

**AustinChief** · 01-26-2011, 10:22 PM

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Nate Solder?? That guy got his cock pulled through his ass almost every game I saw him play.

REALLY? I have only seen 3 or 4 of his games this year and he looked great. I'll watch him more closely at the Senior Bowl and reserve judgement.

Want to bet whether he goes in the first round or not? Currently I have him rated right around the 10-20 range, so he fits our pick pretty well. We need Oline help and I don't see any Centers being worth our 1st round pick.

I'd prefer we get NT and WR taken care of first and then get a center or guard (like Cannon) in the 2nd or 3rd... but OT in the first wouldn't kill me.

I've been bitching about our line since midseason... I firmly believe that our offense isn't going anywhere without serious upgrades to the line.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 01-26-2011, 10:33 PM

Oh, I think he'll go in the first round, I just think that he's a soft player who can get pushed around very easily.

He got absolutely destroyed against Missouri in a game that Aldon Smith missed this year, and the year before

Here's his tape from Missouri in 2009. Dude gets the piss beaten out of him over and over again.

**AustinChief** · 01-26-2011, 11:01 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Oh, I think he'll go in the first round, I just think that he's a soft player who can get pushed around very easily.

He got absolutely destroyed against Missouri in a game that Aldon Smith missed this year, and the year before

Here's his tape from Missouri in 2009. Dude gets the piss beaten out of him over and over again.

Dude, if THIS is what you are going off from, you aren't giving him a fair shake or you don't judge OT talent very well... This is by far not his best performance but he definitely didn't get the piss beaten out of him.

I'll wait until I have seen more film, but my initial reaction is that he will be a solid pro and could be a GREAT pro if he adds more weight and gets decent coaching.

DTLB58 · 01-26-2011, 11:18 PM

Just a tidbit on Mayock, I was watching practice today on NFLN and they were listening in to the huddle and Mayock is doing play by play acting all that like he knows what play they are calling, he says okay, here is a boot, QB is either gonna run or throw to the guy in the flat or someone dragging across the backside and lo and behold it was a freaking bomb down the right sideline!

I laughed my ass off and muted the TV for the rest of the practice.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 01-27-2011, 12:09 AM

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Dude, if THIS is what you are going off from, you aren't giving him a fair shake or you don't judge OT talent very well... This is by far not his best performance but he definitely didn't get the piss beaten out of him.

I'll wait until I have seen more film, but my initial reaction is that he will be a solid pro and could be a GREAT pro if he adds more weight and gets decent coaching.

He's a height/weight project, IMO.

That isn't the entirety of my experience in watching him, it's just an example.

I think he'll really struggle against bullrushers at the next level

'Hamas' Jenkins · 01-27-2011, 12:12 AM

Here he is against Cameron Jordan (at times):

It's some of the most embarrassing tape you'll ever see.

**AustinChief** · 01-27-2011, 12:44 AM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

He's a height/weight project, IMO.

That isn't the entirety of my experience in watching him, it's just an example.

I think he'll really struggle against bullrushers at the next level

I agree with this unless he can bulk up.

**AustinChief** · 01-27-2011, 12:56 AM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Here he is against Cameron Jordan (at times):

It's some of the most embarrassing tape you'll ever see.

um,, nope, I saw TWICE in the 2nd clip where he was beat (badly) and I saw quite a few really good plays...

Are we watching the same guy? #78 the LEFT TACKLE?

I don't think you are giving him a fair eval at all.

BTW I HATE CU with a passion, so this isn't a homer pick by me...

'Hamas' Jenkins · 01-27-2011, 01:19 AM

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Originally Posted by AustinChief

um,, nope, I saw TWICE in the 2nd clip where he was beat (badly) and I saw quite a few really good plays...

Are we watching the same guy? #78 the LEFT TACKLE?

I don't think you are giving him a fair eval at all.

BTW I HATE CU with a passion, so this isn't a homer pick by me...

He gets destroyed as much as humanly possible at :58 and 1:12, which led to a sack-fumble and an interception. At 1:12, he gives up a QB hit, commits a penalty, and causes an interception.

He gets his ass whipped on a short drop at 2:00

He gives up another sack at 2:45

He gets blown up by a spin move at 3:20, but the entire pocket collapsed, so the QB got out before he could give up another pressure or sack

He lets the RE get in across his face because he can't push him off the line in run blocking, and that leads to a play getting stoned at 3:40

He lets another guy get across his face at 4:05

He gets beat around the edge yet again on the final play, but the QB got the ball out quick.

"Some good plays, some bad" is just wantonly dishonest.

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Mecca Hockey Town Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Kansas City, Missouri Casino cash: $-732950	I fully think he could get a 1st round grade, I don't think he'd go in the top 10 because of his weight so he'd probably end up going in the teens or 20's to a good team looking for a QB.
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'Hamas' Jenkins Now you've pissed me off! Join Date: Jan 2006 Casino cash: $7129572	Oh, I think he'll go in the first round, I just think that he's a soft player who can get pushed around very easily. He got absolutely destroyed against Missouri in a game that Aldon Smith missed this year, and the year before Here's his tape from Missouri in 2009. Dude gets the piss beaten out of him over and over again. __________________ "When the Know-Nothings get control, it will read 'all men are created equal, except negroes, and foreigners, and Catholics.' When it comes to this I should prefer emigrating to some country where they make no pretense of loving liberty – to Russia, for instance, where despotism can be taken pure, and without the base alloy of hypocrisy.”--Abraham Lincoln
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'Hamas' Jenkins Now you've pissed me off! Join Date: Jan 2006 Casino cash: $7129572	Here he is against Cameron Jordan (at times): It's some of the most embarrassing tape you'll ever see. __________________ "When the Know-Nothings get control, it will read 'all men are created equal, except negroes, and foreigners, and Catholics.' When it comes to this I should prefer emigrating to some country where they make no pretense of loving liberty – to Russia, for instance, where despotism can be taken pure, and without the base alloy of hypocrisy.”--Abraham Lincoln
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