Chiefs CMU QB Dan LeFevour says he has had in-depth talks w/ Chiefs - Page 6

NIUhuskies · 01-27-2010, 11:15 PM

I like this kid, hes big, athletic and a helluva player. wouldnt mind grabbing him if he is there in the 4th or 5th round...

**DaneMcCloud** · 01-28-2010, 06:04 PM

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Originally Posted by aturnis

Most all of those teams had a healthy base built around the team and the QB was one of the later pieces added to the puzzle. Why waste valuable years of a QB's play with a mediocre team that will go nowhere? Get your team competitive first then add the positions that add an immediate impact.

Everyone wants a playmaker, and criticized the organization for taking d-lineman. The guys who take about 3 yrs. to develop. If you didn't have these guys, and the need for them was the only thing holding your team back, you'd draft one and have to wait. Wasting players prime years, contracts(both length and money) and health. A lot can happen over 3 yrs.

If a well rounded, 1st round QB can make a difference in yr. 1, get him when your team is on the cusp. Build your base first. The guys who take time to develop. I know it takes time for the QB to be developed, but a recent trend shows that if you get a good one, maybe not. The guy may not be a world beater at QB, but as long as he can at least be a yr. 1 game manager, he can learn on the fly and you have years of productivity ahead of you. Otherwise you could do like all the shitty teams at the top of the draft over the years have done. Draft a guy with unlimited potential, and drown him in a pool of talentless teammates like the Lions.

A playmaker would make this team better now, and everyone would love it, but it won't really mean anything at all until there's a good base in place. Can't build on a shotty foundation. That is why the experts and coaches prefer to build from the front to back. A lot of guys don't like the unsexy picks in the trenches, but a team ain't shit without 'em. Not saying a o-lineman in the first round. You can get 'em in the 5th round if they can play, just get 'em first. Worry about the accessories later.

That oughta piss Dane off PLENTY!

**** you Dane!

Piss me off? You guys seriously over-think my emotional state. Using strong words to express my opinion doesn't mean I'm "pissed" or angy.

The rest of your post is pure, unadulterated drivel that is not based in reality.

In short, it's nonsense.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 01-28-2010, 06:09 PM

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Originally Posted by doomy3

I was wondering this, and didn't know if anyone had done the research on it.

Since it seems that the only way to find a franchise QB is in the first round, I was curious about where specifically in the first round seems to be the best place. To qualify for franchise QB status on this board, it seems that one must win a Super Bowl.

So my question is, how many QBs have been drafted in the top 5 and won a Super Bowl with their original team? It seems that the guys like Roethlisberger, Flacco, and even Sanchez (since the Jets weren't a bad enough team to be drafting top 5 but traded up to #5) are all guys who went to good teams, and definitely benefited from it. I'm not trying to take anything away from any of them, but it occured to me that while we are talking about the number of first round QBs that have won SBs, we should also look at the draft position and quality of team they went to. Seems that a lot of the QBs that are drafted top 5 do indeed bust, and a lot of times I'm not sure if that is because of the player or because of the shitty situation they went into.

Curious if anyone knew of the number of top 5 QBs that have won a SB with their original team?

From 1980 - present:

The following QB's were selected in the Top 5 and started a SB for their original team. (Elway never played for the Colts, so I'm counting him, just like Eli Manning)

E. Manning
P. Manning
Aikman
Elway
McMahon
McNair
Bledsoe

No one from 6-10

From 11-15: Roethlisberger, Kelly, Eason

From 16-32: Marino

Chris Meck · 01-28-2010, 06:48 PM

ooh, Dane called me a pussy on the interwebs!

This is the kind of crap that drove me away from here in the first place. For everyone else posting here that's not a complete douchebag-

First round QB's have a failure rate in the mid 80's. Non-first rounders in the mid 90's.

Interesting. Okay. I'd say that the impact on your franchise of whiffing on a 1st round QB might offset that extra 10% or so likelihood of success. Particularly if you're absolutely shitty everywhere else.

I'd say that the Chiefs SHOULD have drafted one in the first round nearly any year from 91-97. Why? Otherwise a fairly complete team. Good defense, good line to block for you. Good time to take a risk like that.

Right now? nope.

I'm not afraid of anything. I'm certainly not afraid of whiffing on a QB-I just don't see that as a smart move, especially when the rest of the team is so weak. See, Sanchez may indeed become a franchise QB-and I like him and think he will-but he ain't there yet. He was on a pretty short leash and the defense and running game carried that team. Sanchez on the Chiefs and we're still 4-12. Maybe worse. AND, we'd probably ruin the poor kid ala Joey Harrington.
And I'm certainly not afraid of Dane. Dane, if you'd like to continue this discussion in person, shoot me a p.m., bro! Or are you just an internet bully?

**DeezNutz** · 01-28-2010, 07:02 PM

The impact of whiffing on anyone in round 1 is serious. QB would only be marginally more expensive, but with tremendous more upside.

The fact that far more of the representative fans on this site aren't strongly advocating the team draft and develop its own QB is really surprising to me.

**Buehler445** · 01-28-2010, 07:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Spott

Well, maybe they could just surprise everyone and draft him in the first round to get better odds.

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz

I like this kind of outside-of-the-box thinking.

Repost bitches

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Originally Posted by Buehler445

So you're saying we should take LeFevour in the first round

Kidding of course.

Isn't this the kid that broke the yards for a DI QB or some other major NCAA record?

Rasputin · 01-28-2010, 07:24 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

From 1980 - present:

The following QB's were selected in the Top 5 and started a SB for their original team. (Elway never played for the Colts, so I'm counting him, just like Eli Manning)

E. Manning
P. Manning
Aikman
Elway
McMahon
McNair
Bledsoe

No one from 6-10

From 11-15: Roethlisberger, Kelly, Eason

From 16-32: Marino

Some of those QBs have multiple SB & they all are HOF worthy. Even Eli has a shot at a HOF career. What's most impressive to me is there longevity for the same team. Teams continue to find pieces around them and let them grow with the team.

**DeezNutz** · 01-28-2010, 07:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Buehler445

Repost bitches

I have you on ignore, clearly.

Reerun_KC · 01-28-2010, 07:32 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz

I have you on ignore, clearly.

@ Buehler445.....

Nobody likes you....

**Buehler445** · 01-28-2010, 07:37 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz

I have you on ignore, clearly.

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Originally Posted by Reerun_KC

@ Buehler445.....

Nobody likes you....

Damn. Tough crowd today. I should log off.

**DaneMcCloud** · 01-28-2010, 07:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Chris Meck

ooh, Dane called me a pussy on the interwebs!

This is the kind of crap that drove me away from here in the first place. For everyone else posting here that's not a complete douchebag-

First round QB's have a failure rate in the mid 80's. Non-first rounders in the mid 90's.

Interesting. Okay. I'd say that the impact on your franchise of whiffing on a 1st round QB might offset that extra 10% or so likelihood of success. Particularly if you're absolutely shitty everywhere else.

I'd say that the Chiefs SHOULD have drafted one in the first round nearly any year from 91-97. Why? Otherwise a fairly complete team. Good defense, good line to block for you. Good time to take a risk like that.

Right now? nope.

I'm not afraid of anything. I'm certainly not afraid of whiffing on a QB-I just don't see that as a smart move, especially when the rest of the team is so weak. See, Sanchez may indeed become a franchise QB-and I like him and think he will-but he ain't there yet. He was on a pretty short leash and the defense and running game carried that team. Sanchez on the Chiefs and we're still 4-12. Maybe worse. AND, we'd probably ruin the poor kid ala Joey Harrington.
And I'm certainly not afraid of Dane. Dane, if you'd like to continue this discussion in person, shoot me a p.m., bro! Or are you just an internet bully?

You're a ****ing dummy.

There's nothing further to discuss.

Adios, Muchacho.

Sweet Daddy Hate · 01-28-2010, 07:59 PM

Athletic, great build and not skinny like Eli and that ilk, great instincts, adjustments, reading of the field, a damned sweet arm, and wears #13(my birthday and number):

SOLD.

You get this kid. You get him yesterday.

**DeezNutz** · 01-28-2010, 08:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Buehler445

Damn. Tough crowd today. I should log off.

And then whom would I ignore?

patteeu · 01-28-2010, 08:35 PM

Which QB do you want with the fifth overall pick this year Dane?

I still agree with Chris Meck. I'd be the first to admit that I'm not a scout. If our college talent evaluators think there's a John Elway available when we draft then by all means take him. My unrefined sense of the situation is that there are no Elways or Mannings coming out this year.

**Buehler445** · 01-28-2010, 09:12 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz

And then whom would I ignore?

Fine. I'll stay on. Only because you owned me so thoroughly.

**DeezNutz** · 01-28-2010, 09:22 PM

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Originally Posted by patteeu

Which QB do you want with the fifth overall pick this year Dane?

I still agree with Chris Meck. I'd be the first to admit that I'm not a scout. If our college talent evaluators think there's a John Elway available when we draft then by all means take him. My unrefined sense of the situation is that there are no Elways or Mannings coming out this year.

If the standard is Elway or Manning, we'll never draft a QB early. Using this measure, you would have passed on Matt Ryan 10 out of 10 times. Same with Rivers. Same with Roethlisberger.

And, of course at the time, some argued that Manning couldn't sniff Leaf, so hindsight always puts a different spin on it.

Here's the bottom line: we ****ed up last year. So let's not make that same mistake again.

Of course, this could be the Chiefs fan's mantra since '83. What a ****ing pussy ass franchise...

01-27-2010, 11:15 PM
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01-28-2010, 06:48 PM	#78
Chris Meck MVP Join Date: May 2001 Location: midtown KC Casino cash: $-1365090	ooh, Dane called me a pussy on the interwebs! This is the kind of crap that drove me away from here in the first place. For everyone else posting here that's not a complete douchebag- First round QB's have a failure rate in the mid 80's. Non-first rounders in the mid 90's. Interesting. Okay. I'd say that the impact on your franchise of whiffing on a 1st round QB might offset that extra 10% or so likelihood of success. Particularly if you're absolutely shitty everywhere else. I'd say that the Chiefs SHOULD have drafted one in the first round nearly any year from 91-97. Why? Otherwise a fairly complete team. Good defense, good line to block for you. Good time to take a risk like that. Right now? nope. I'm not afraid of anything. I'm certainly not afraid of whiffing on a QB-I just don't see that as a smart move, especially when the rest of the team is so weak. See, Sanchez may indeed become a franchise QB-and I like him and think he will-but he ain't there yet. He was on a pretty short leash and the defense and running game carried that team. Sanchez on the Chiefs and we're still 4-12. Maybe worse. AND, we'd probably ruin the poor kid ala Joey Harrington. And I'm certainly not afraid of Dane. Dane, if you'd like to continue this discussion in person, shoot me a p.m., bro! Or are you just an internet bully?
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patteeu The 23rd Pillar Join Date: Sep 2002 Casino cash: $10019237	Which QB do you want with the fifth overall pick this year Dane? I still agree with Chris Meck. I'd be the first to admit that I'm not a scout. If our college talent evaluators think there's a John Elway available when we draft then by all means take him. My unrefined sense of the situation is that there are no Elways or Mannings coming out this year. __________________ “Boy, you all want power. God, I hope you never get it.” - Lindsay Graham
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