I'll do my preliminary top 16 mock, now full first round - Page 6

Mecca · 06:52 PM

More to come after the combine is done but this is how I see the top half of the draft shaking at right now...

1. St Louis-Sam Bradford QB, Oklahoma, I think this team will take a QB and I think Bradford will be their guy, now it may be at 1 or it may be at 3.

2. Detroit-Ndamukong Suh, DT, Nebraksa, The Lions really sit in a nice spot at 2, they will either get the best player or 2nd best player in the draft and fill a massive need at DT, they luck out here and get the best player in the draft.

3. Tampa Bay-Gerald McCoy, DT, Oklahoma, Tampa gets one of the DT's which is what they want to make sure they get, here they settle with McCoy who is a very elite prospect in his own right inspite of being overshadowed by Suh.

4. Washington-Jimmy Clausen QB,Notre Dame, Washington has to get a QB and Shanahan gets a very naturally gifted player to mold how he wants here.

5. Kansas City-Russell Okung, OT, Oklahoma State, I don't like this at all but I think this comes down to doing the safe thing. I think this pick is between Okung and McClain and they'll settle on Okung as he has higher positional value and I don't think McClain will test well in workouts. I don't believe the Chiefs will strongly consider Berry in a deep safety class. This to me frankly comes down to Pioli not wanting Cassel to fail and going with the consensus pick as Okung is a pick basically no one will question nationally.

6. Seattle-Eric Berry, S, Tennessee, A team in need of playmakers has the best one in the draft fall right into their laps.

7. Cleveland-Joe Haden, CB, Florida, With a high number of players Cleveland would have coveted gone, they opt to go with the best player left. Wouldn't rule out Dan Williams here.

8. Oakland-Jason Pierre Paul, athletic freak with huge upside and Oakland, enough said.

9. Buffalo-Dan Williams, DT, Tennessee, Switching to 3-4 they opt to build up the defensive line first. Dan Williams in my view is going to be a very high riser and go somewhere in this area.

10. Denver-Dez Bryant, WR, Oklahoma State-with the likely moving of Marshall this pick makes the most sense and is about where Bryant should go.

11. Jacksonville-Derrick Morgan-DE, GT, I'm not personally a big fan of Morgan but he fits what they do and they heavily need an end after the failure of Derrick Harvey to this point. The other best players left are OT's and they covered that last year.

12. Dolphins-Rolando McClain, ILB, Alabama, Parcells makes the typical Parcells pick, guy loves LB's and hasn't drafted one in Miami yet. Not to mention they aren't high on Crowder and may be moving on from him. They might consider Kindle here if they sort out the ILB position.

13. San Fran-Anthony Davis, OT, Rutgers, basically the 49ers get a player with top 10 talent falling into their laps due to the teams in front of them.

14. Seattle-Charles Brown, OT, USC, Brown is a guy I expect to massively rise leading into the draft, he gained weight and is now over 300lbs, he's very athletic, he's a perfect fit for the zone blocking scheme that Carroll and Gibbs will employ.

15. New York Giants-Earl Thomas, S/CB, Texas- I think Thomas will be viewed by many as a CB but the Giants need playmakers especially in the back 7 on defense. Thomas can either push Michael Johnson to the bench at FS or take over at CB and push Terrell Thomas back to FS.

16. Tennessee-Carlos Dunlap, DE, Florida, Physically speaking Dunlap is a top 5 player but is very on and off, the Titans love ends with huge upside and he basically fits the profile of defensive linemen that they take.

17. San Fran-CJ Spiller, RB, Clemson, San Fran is a little torn here on whether to go with Mays or Spiller but they opt for maybe the best playmaker in this draft and he fills several holes for them.

18. Pittsburgh-Taylor Mays, S, USC, Basically a nightmare situation where Mays slides into a perfect situation for him. He will get excellent coaching and form possibility the best safety tandem in the game with Polamalu, outstanding compliments to each other and a very intimidating middle of the field.

19. Atlanta-Sean Weatherspoon, OLB, Missouri, Maybe a slight surprise but Weatherspoon is rising fast. With the defense Atlanta plays and the young players they'll be counting on to return this is a solid pick for him, he pairs with Lofton to make a nice young LB duo.

20. Houston-Brian Price, DT, UCLA, Price is a very very good player, outstanding at getting into the backfield, basically spent 3 years living in the opponents backfield in the Pac 10. Houston needed a DT badly to go with their other nice young D personnel is pretty thrilled he's here.

21. Cincy-Arrelious Benn, WR, Illinois-Benn has all the physical tools, outstanding size, great speed, great returner, he just comes from playing with Juice Williams and also showed some durability and consistency issues. Cincy badly needs a playmaker on the outside, they opt for the most talented outside player on the board in Rejus.

22. New England-Jared Odrick, DE/DT, Penn State, NE fills one of their needs at 5 tech DE with this pick, Odrick is very naturally gifted, in the mold that NE likes standing at 6'5 and about 300lbs also has a huge frame to grow. Would consider Kindle or Graham here but NE never uses high picks on LB's as Belichick prefers vets there.

23. Green Bay-Sergio Kindle, OLB, Texas, Green Bay is thrilled to have him still on the board. Everyone would figure OT here but Ted Thompson is a best player on the board drafter and Kindle is that guy at this point. Should solidly transition to 3-4 OLB with experience as a 4-3 OLB and 4-3 DE. In some ways has similar experience as Clay Matthews did but wasn't as well coached but is more naturally talented, outstanding fit. If Kindle happens to be gone would likely heavily consider Brandon Graham.

24. Philly-Bryan Bulaga, OT, Iowa, Knowing what the Eagles value this is where I'd place this pick. They've had a lot of injury issues on the OL and some of their guys are starting to get older, the Eagles value OL more than any other team in the league. If they didn't go OL here I could see them possibly taking Gresham giving them nasty skill position players.

25. Baltimore-Damian Williams, WR, USC, Baltimore desperately needs WR's that can play right now, Williams is very polished, reminds me of a mix of the Giants Steve Smith and Reggie Wayne. So opting for the guy who is ready to contribute right now makes sense here.

26. Arizona-Brandon Graham, OLB, Michigan-To good of a value to pass up for a team that needs pass rushers in a bad way.

27. Dallas-Mike Iupati, OG, Idaho, Perfect fit for the system the Cowboys run, would step into LG from day 1 kicking Kosier either off the team or to the bench, he's had serious problems staying healthy. Doug Free is ready to start at RT leaving Flozell Adams as the only OL they need to replace quickly.

28. San Diego-Trent Williams, OT, Oklahoma, Williams falls a bit due to essentially being a RT but San Diego is happy to get him here filling one of their few needs.

29. New York Jets- Brandon Lafell, WR, LSU, The Jets don't have a ton of needs but a WR is a big one and Lafell fits how this team play. He's big, physical and has good hands. Bit of a down senior year but is excellent value here, Tate is also an option but Lafell fits better.

30. Minnesota-Jermaine Gresham, TE, Okahoma, Great value pick, Gresham is a top 15 talent falling to this pick do to injury.

31. Indy-Bruce Campbell, OT, Maryland-Campbell may end up as a guard but Indy needs to get some better OL to improve their run game, calculated risk pick here.

32. New Orleans Navarro Bowman, OLB, Penn State, Bowman has some off the field issues but he is a prototype 4-3 OLB. Great natural talent that falls to this pick well worth the risk here.

RustShack · 02-28-2010, 07:16 PM

And Cody.

Mecca · 02-28-2010, 07:20 PM

They do, which is why McClain if the Chiefs don't take him probably goes to the Dolphins.

**AustinChief** · 02-28-2010, 07:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

They apply it to the entire front 7, give me an undersized LB that has ever played for Parcells or a Parcells tree guy.

Brandon Graham's 6'1 height likely has him very low on the Chiefs board.

I highly doubt it, but if true... the entire Parcell's tree is full of nuts.

I find it hard to imagine they would ignore the play of guys like Woodley, Dumervil and Harrison just because they lack "ideal" height.

So does that take Hughes off the table?

Kindle is like 6'3" so he is ok...

**AustinChief** · 02-28-2010, 07:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

They do, which is why McClain if the Chiefs don't take him probably goes to the Dolphins.

Pioli picked Mayo and he is only 6' .. now I do understand he is an ILB and that makes a big difference... but not exactly ideal size.

**BossChief** · 02-28-2010, 07:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

The size thing is why I start cracking up laughing when anyone even suggests our team or the Pats would draft Brandon Graham.

tyron Mckenzie 6'2'' 240
jarod mayo 6'1 245
shawn crable 6'5 245

Those are the lbs BB drafted in NE in the first three rounds in recent years.

Brandon Graham 6'1 260

Doesnt seem out of the realm of possibility to me. They do value linemen that are bigger because of their responsibility in regards to the scheme we play, but Im not sure that holds true for the LBers they draft.

RustShack · 02-28-2010, 07:33 PM

McKenzie and Mayo are ILB's..

Mecca · 02-28-2010, 07:33 PM

Now in fairness Mayo was essentially their only option at that pick, but he's not undersized for an ILB, he weighs nearly 250lbs.

They like bigger guys on the outside, ILB the height isn't as big of a deal.

I probably should have said find me a rushbacker that the Pats have drafted that doesn't have prototypical size.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 02-28-2010, 07:36 PM

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Originally Posted by BossChief

tyron Mckenzie 6'2'' 240
jarod mayo 6'1 245
shawn crable 6'5 245

Those are the lbs BB drafted in NE in the first three rounds in recent years.

Brandon Graham 6'1 260

Doesnt seem out of the realm of possibility to me. They do value linemen that are bigger because of their responsibility in regards to the scheme we play, but Im not sure that holds true for the LBers they draft.

Crable is a rushbacker.

McKenzie and Mayo are both 6'1"+ 240+ lb inside linebackers.

**AustinChief** · 02-28-2010, 07:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

Now in fairness Mayo was essentially their only option at that pick, but he's not undersized for an ILB, he weighs nearly 250lbs.

They like bigger guys on the outside, ILB the height isn't as big of a deal.

I probably should have said find me a rushbacker that the Pats have drafted that doesn't have prototypical size.

I will admit the height hurts him... but in Graham's favor is that he went to U-M, Pioli has signed quite a few U-M players in the recent past.

RustShack · 02-28-2010, 07:38 PM

You should probably compare Graham to other OLB's.

Mecca · 02-28-2010, 07:38 PM

Graham is going to go to one of those teams that doesn't mind height, Green Bay and Arizona seem like the most likely teams if you ask me.

Ralphy Boy · 02-28-2010, 08:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

5. Kansas City-Russell Okung, OT, Oklahoma State, I don't like this at all but I think this comes down to doing the safe thing. I think this pick is between Okung and McClain and they'll settle on Okung as he has higher positional value and I don't think McClain will test well in workouts. I don't believe the Chiefs will strongly consider Berry in a deep safety class. This to me frankly comes down to Pioli not wanting Cassel to fail and going with the consensus pick as Okung is a pick basically no one will question nationally.

Why would Pioli care anything about doing the "safe thing"? He drafted TJ last year, basically giving the finger to everyone nationally.

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Originally Posted by Mecca

I think it's either McClain or Okung, answer this question, how much do you believe the Chiefs factor in the offseason process?

Okung is essentially the exact weight, arm length and all that jazz that Haley tried to turn Albert into. And I don't think McClain will be a perfect prospect with his workouts to really warrant being a top 10 pick.

If you wanna year something really ridiculous, if the Chiefs came up and say Washington took Okung I could see the Chiefs taking Charles Brown...5th.

I'd believe McClain before Okung or Brown. Don't get me wrong, I'd rather have Okung than McClain, just don't see it happening.

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Originally Posted by Hog Farmer

Pioli has stated that you build a team from the inside out meaning you have to have solid lines, so this pick isn't unreasonable. We'll get two playmakers in the 2nd. I think a WR/KR with 2A and a linebacker with 2B.

Yet Pioli has drafted only 1 O-linemen in the first round, EVER.

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and people said shit when I sid Pioli would draft Dan Williams.

That's my projection as well. I think it's Dan Williams.

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Which continues to back up the fact that they're ****ing stupid and had THE worst draft in the entire history of the Chiefs franchise.

Carl is that you?

Mecca · 02-28-2010, 08:54 PM

Safe as in he has to try to make Cassel look like he was a good investment, they took Jackson because they were hell bent on playing 3-4.

Saccopoo · 03-01-2010, 01:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

Safe as in he has to try to make Cassel look like he was a good investment, they took Jackson because they were hell bent on playing 3-4.

Safe as in I'm sure that Haley threatened to stab him in the eye with a fork if he gave him dog shit linemen to work with for a second straight season. Straight up, the two positions that pissed off Haley more than anything was 1. The entire offensive line, and 2. the entire Wide Receiver corps.

After offering up Ndukwe, Alleman, Goff and Seamus O'Murphy, you can be rest assured that they will be picking more than one offensive lineman in this draft and they will do their due diligence in making sure that they get guys that will be productive at a high level from the day they get to camp. There won't be any projects who have "potential." Smart guys who will be able to pick up and execute the zone blocking scheme quickly. I'd expect guys like Okung (Bulaga and Brown would be options 2 & 3 if Okung isn't there, and he might be gone by the time that Detroit picks), Tennant, Mike Johnson, Zane Beadles, JD Walton, Jeff Byers and the like.

**BossChief** · 03-01-2010, 01:40 AM

Brown showed to be very weak today.

...like half the reps of the other OLTs.

02-26-2010, 03:07 AM
Mecca Hockey Town Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Kansas City, Missouri Casino cash: $-742950	I'll do my preliminary top 16 mock, now full first round More to come after the combine is done but this is how I see the top half of the draft shaking at right now... 1. St Louis-Sam Bradford QB, Oklahoma, I think this team will take a QB and I think Bradford will be their guy, now it may be at 1 or it may be at 3. 2. Detroit-Ndamukong Suh, DT, Nebraksa, The Lions really sit in a nice spot at 2, they will either get the best player or 2nd best player in the draft and fill a massive need at DT, they luck out here and get the best player in the draft. 3. Tampa Bay-Gerald McCoy, DT, Oklahoma, Tampa gets one of the DT's which is what they want to make sure they get, here they settle with McCoy who is a very elite prospect in his own right inspite of being overshadowed by Suh. 4. Washington-Jimmy Clausen QB,Notre Dame, Washington has to get a QB and Shanahan gets a very naturally gifted player to mold how he wants here. 5. Kansas City-Russell Okung, OT, Oklahoma State, I don't like this at all but I think this comes down to doing the safe thing. I think this pick is between Okung and McClain and they'll settle on Okung as he has higher positional value and I don't think McClain will test well in workouts. I don't believe the Chiefs will strongly consider Berry in a deep safety class. This to me frankly comes down to Pioli not wanting Cassel to fail and going with the consensus pick as Okung is a pick basically no one will question nationally. 6. Seattle-Eric Berry, S, Tennessee, A team in need of playmakers has the best one in the draft fall right into their laps. 7. Cleveland-Joe Haden, CB, Florida, With a high number of players Cleveland would have coveted gone, they opt to go with the best player left. Wouldn't rule out Dan Williams here. 8. Oakland-Jason Pierre Paul, athletic freak with huge upside and Oakland, enough said. 9. Buffalo-Dan Williams, DT, Tennessee, Switching to 3-4 they opt to build up the defensive line first. Dan Williams in my view is going to be a very high riser and go somewhere in this area. 10. Denver-Dez Bryant, WR, Oklahoma State-with the likely moving of Marshall this pick makes the most sense and is about where Bryant should go. 11. Jacksonville-Derrick Morgan-DE, GT, I'm not personally a big fan of Morgan but he fits what they do and they heavily need an end after the failure of Derrick Harvey to this point. The other best players left are OT's and they covered that last year. 12. Dolphins-Rolando McClain, ILB, Alabama, Parcells makes the typical Parcells pick, guy loves LB's and hasn't drafted one in Miami yet. Not to mention they aren't high on Crowder and may be moving on from him. They might consider Kindle here if they sort out the ILB position. 13. San Fran-Anthony Davis, OT, Rutgers, basically the 49ers get a player with top 10 talent falling into their laps due to the teams in front of them. 14. Seattle-Charles Brown, OT, USC, Brown is a guy I expect to massively rise leading into the draft, he gained weight and is now over 300lbs, he's very athletic, he's a perfect fit for the zone blocking scheme that Carroll and Gibbs will employ. 15. New York Giants-Earl Thomas, S/CB, Texas- I think Thomas will be viewed by many as a CB but the Giants need playmakers especially in the back 7 on defense. Thomas can either push Michael Johnson to the bench at FS or take over at CB and push Terrell Thomas back to FS. 16. Tennessee-Carlos Dunlap, DE, Florida, Physically speaking Dunlap is a top 5 player but is very on and off, the Titans love ends with huge upside and he basically fits the profile of defensive linemen that they take. 17. San Fran-CJ Spiller, RB, Clemson, San Fran is a little torn here on whether to go with Mays or Spiller but they opt for maybe the best playmaker in this draft and he fills several holes for them. 18. Pittsburgh-Taylor Mays, S, USC, Basically a nightmare situation where Mays slides into a perfect situation for him. He will get excellent coaching and form possibility the best safety tandem in the game with Polamalu, outstanding compliments to each other and a very intimidating middle of the field. 19. Atlanta-Sean Weatherspoon, OLB, Missouri, Maybe a slight surprise but Weatherspoon is rising fast. With the defense Atlanta plays and the young players they'll be counting on to return this is a solid pick for him, he pairs with Lofton to make a nice young LB duo. 20. Houston-Brian Price, DT, UCLA, Price is a very very good player, outstanding at getting into the backfield, basically spent 3 years living in the opponents backfield in the Pac 10. Houston needed a DT badly to go with their other nice young D personnel is pretty thrilled he's here. 21. Cincy-Arrelious Benn, WR, Illinois-Benn has all the physical tools, outstanding size, great speed, great returner, he just comes from playing with Juice Williams and also showed some durability and consistency issues. Cincy badly needs a playmaker on the outside, they opt for the most talented outside player on the board in Rejus. 22. New England-Jared Odrick, DE/DT, Penn State, NE fills one of their needs at 5 tech DE with this pick, Odrick is very naturally gifted, in the mold that NE likes standing at 6'5 and about 300lbs also has a huge frame to grow. Would consider Kindle or Graham here but NE never uses high picks on LB's as Belichick prefers vets there. 23. Green Bay-Sergio Kindle, OLB, Texas, Green Bay is thrilled to have him still on the board. Everyone would figure OT here but Ted Thompson is a best player on the board drafter and Kindle is that guy at this point. Should solidly transition to 3-4 OLB with experience as a 4-3 OLB and 4-3 DE. In some ways has similar experience as Clay Matthews did but wasn't as well coached but is more naturally talented, outstanding fit. If Kindle happens to be gone would likely heavily consider Brandon Graham. 24. Philly-Bryan Bulaga, OT, Iowa, Knowing what the Eagles value this is where I'd place this pick. They've had a lot of injury issues on the OL and some of their guys are starting to get older, the Eagles value OL more than any other team in the league. If they didn't go OL here I could see them possibly taking Gresham giving them nasty skill position players. 25. Baltimore-Damian Williams, WR, USC, Baltimore desperately needs WR's that can play right now, Williams is very polished, reminds me of a mix of the Giants Steve Smith and Reggie Wayne. So opting for the guy who is ready to contribute right now makes sense here. 26. Arizona-Brandon Graham, OLB, Michigan-To good of a value to pass up for a team that needs pass rushers in a bad way. 27. Dallas-Mike Iupati, OG, Idaho, Perfect fit for the system the Cowboys run, would step into LG from day 1 kicking Kosier either off the team or to the bench, he's had serious problems staying healthy. Doug Free is ready to start at RT leaving Flozell Adams as the only OL they need to replace quickly. 28. San Diego-Trent Williams, OT, Oklahoma, Williams falls a bit due to essentially being a RT but San Diego is happy to get him here filling one of their few needs. 29. New York Jets- Brandon Lafell, WR, LSU, The Jets don't have a ton of needs but a WR is a big one and Lafell fits how this team play. He's big, physical and has good hands. Bit of a down senior year but is excellent value here, Tate is also an option but Lafell fits better. 30. Minnesota-Jermaine Gresham, TE, Okahoma, Great value pick, Gresham is a top 15 talent falling to this pick do to injury. 31. Indy-Bruce Campbell, OT, Maryland-Campbell may end up as a guard but Indy needs to get some better OL to improve their run game, calculated risk pick here. 32. New Orleans Navarro Bowman, OLB, Penn State, Bowman has some off the field issues but he is a prototype 4-3 OLB. Great natural talent that falls to this pick well worth the risk here. Last edited by Mecca; 02-26-2010 at 06:52 PM..
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