Chiefs If the Chiefs take Berry, or Clausen, in this draft.... - Page 6

milkman · 03-06-2010, 10:12 AM

I'm curious.

I see so many posts that basically paint Pioli as a moron that would pass on both of these guys because they don't fit into the perception that Pioli values certain positions, or has to protect his investment in Cassel so he doesn't look like a dumbass for making that trade (that ship has sailed as far as I'm concerned, but that's another discussion).

If the Chiefs do take Berry or Clausen, does this change your perception, and how much does it change it?

**jAZ** · 03-07-2010, 12:31 AM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Of course, what you intentionally cut out is that Mecca said we would have scratched our heads at the time, but then realized it was an excellent move.

Neg rep for intellectual dishonesty.

What are you talking about? There is NOTHING deliberately dishonest about that. What did I miss?

'Hamas' Jenkins · 03-07-2010, 12:40 AM

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Originally Posted by jAZ

What are you talking about? There is NOTHING deliberately dishonest about that. What did I miss?

Post 218, in the thread you started while you were having a conversation with him about that very subject:

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Originally Posted by Mecca

Pioli could have selected any number of guys and been proven right, he could have taken a far less valuable trade from say the Jets like the Browns did and taken Oher or Matthews and we'd all laud how brilliant the move was in hindsight.

KCrockaholic · 03-07-2010, 12:46 AM

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No. It would be better IMO than a lineman. But I would like to have Cody in the 2nd instead.

-King- · 03-07-2010, 01:40 AM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Throwing good money after bad.

If Mayhew would have just ****ing drafted Oher when he was gift wrapped to them at 20 last year.

I think it's readily apparent that most NFL GMs have no ****ing common sense.

I've always thought about this. Is there something that we as fans can't see or can't understand with player acquisitions and plays, or are coaches/GMs and whatnot, really ****ing stupid? Because the shit that seems obvious to us, it seems that they never understand it.

MoreLemonPledge · 03-07-2010, 08:15 AM

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Originally Posted by KcChiefsKing

I've always thought about this. Is there something that we as fans can't see or can't understand with player acquisitions and plays, or are coaches/GMs and whatnot, really ****ing stupid? Because the shit that seems obvious to us, it seems that they never understand it.

Or maybe we don't know as much as we think we do.

**MahiMike** · 03-07-2010, 08:56 AM

Right now, we don't even know if Claussen is an upgrade over Croyle. That's always the thing. Rookies are like a box of chocolates...

And it's why I never like taking skill position guys high in the draft. The big uglies are the safer bet. That's not to say we can't get skill guys starting in 2nd round. But mostly, they should be obtained via free agency.

Crush · 03-07-2010, 09:01 AM

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Originally Posted by MahiMike

Right now, we don't even know if Claussen is an upgrade over Croyle. That's always the thing. Rookies are like a box of chocolates...

And it's why I never like taking skill position guys high in the draft. The big uglies are the safer bet. That's not to say we can't get skill guys starting in 2nd round. But mostly, they should be obtained via free agency.

It is that kind of attitude that results in 40 years of misery.

Crush · 03-07-2010, 09:12 AM

You have to at least try. Taking "safe" picks and not taking a chance on playmakers will bite you in the ass every single time.

Green Bay took the "safe" pick in 1989 with Tony Mandarich. How did that turn out? They could have had Barry Sanders, Deion Sanders, or DT.

The Bills could have had John Henderson, Albert Haynesworth, Dwight Freeney, and Quentin Jammer, but they took the "safe" pick in Mike Williams.

O-lineman flop just as easily as other positions. So don't give me that pussy excuse of o-line being the safe picks, because they are not.

FAX · 03-07-2010, 09:20 AM

We need a franchise quarterback, that much is certain. What's less clear is whether or not Cassel can be that player.

He didn't impress last year ... but how many of his issues were rooted in the giant pile of steaming possum vomit they call his supporting cast? That is the question.

It's part and parcel of the challenges associated with trying to convert suck into success ... it's sometimes difficult to isolate one problem area because there are so many. Right now, the safest pick for Pioli is Berry. Probably.

FAX

**DeezNutz** · 03-07-2010, 09:24 AM

I don't see the potentiality of drafting Clausen as "admitting a mistake" with Cassel, and, if the folks at 1 Arrowhead share my view, the chances of him actually being the selection go up dramatically.

whoman69 · 03-07-2010, 09:32 AM

All the talk about this draft is that there is the most talent available in a generation at every position except QB. You are taking a big risk with a top 5 pick in taking a QB that couldn't even throw at the combine. As bad as I believe Cassel was last year, there is no QB out there that will be ready to step in and be QB on day one this year. I believe we should take a QB in the later rounds that we can develop down the road.

FAX · 03-07-2010, 09:32 AM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz

I don't see the potentiality of drafting Clausen as "admitting a mistake" with Cassel, and, if the folks at 1 Arrowhead share my view, the chances of him actually being the selection go up dramatically.

Yeah ... I don't see the "admitting a mistake" part, either. In a way, I do ... but not really. I kinda see it, but not totally. It's there, but not totally there.

Sometimes a quarterback just doesn't work out. It happens. Pioli has given Cassel his chance ... including the security of a good contract. The rest is up to him.

The way things stand now, if Weis wants Clausen, Clausen is going to be considered ... if not selected. Admissions be damned.

FAX

FAX · 03-07-2010, 09:33 AM

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Originally Posted by whoman69

All the talk about this draft is that there is the most talent available in a generation at every position except QB. You are taking a big risk with a top 5 pick in taking a QB that couldn't even throw at the combine. As bad as I believe Cassel was last year, there is no QB out there that will be ready to step in and be QB on day one this year. I believe we should take a QB in the later rounds that we can develop down the road.

Except that Weis doesn't need to see Clausen throw.

FAX

whoman69 · 03-07-2010, 09:34 AM

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Originally Posted by FAX

We need a franchise quarterback, that much is certain. What's less clear is whether or not Cassel can be that player.

He didn't impress last year ... but how many of his issues were rooted in the giant pile of steaming possum vomit they call his supporting cast? That is the question.

It's part and parcel of the challenges associated with trying to convert suck into success ... it's sometimes difficult to isolate one problem area because there are so many. Right now, the safest pick for Pioli is Berry. Probably.

FAX

I didn't see him elevate that steaming pile of a supporting cast at all. That said I don't see any of this year's crop of QBs able to step in. The top QBs have issues with injuries or questions about how their game will go on a pro level. Like it or not Cassel is the QB this year.

**notorious** · 03-07-2010, 09:35 AM

Clausen has all of the ingredients to become Ryan Leaf Part II.

The boy just isn't right in the head......

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Crush Amateur Poster Join Date: Mar 2004 Casino cash: $2187091	You have to at least try. Taking "safe" picks and not taking a chance on playmakers will bite you in the ass every single time. Green Bay took the "safe" pick in 1989 with Tony Mandarich. How did that turn out? They could have had Barry Sanders, Deion Sanders, or DT. The Bills could have had John Henderson, Albert Haynesworth, Dwight Freeney, and Quentin Jammer, but they took the "safe" pick in Mike Williams. O-lineman flop just as easily as other positions. So don't give me that pussy excuse of o-line being the safe picks, because they are not.
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FAX testing ... 1, 2, 3 Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Tennessee Casino cash: $6753759	We need a franchise quarterback, that much is certain. What's less clear is whether or not Cassel can be that player. He didn't impress last year ... but how many of his issues were rooted in the giant pile of steaming possum vomit they call his supporting cast? That is the question. It's part and parcel of the challenges associated with trying to convert suck into success ... it's sometimes difficult to isolate one problem area because there are so many. Right now, the safest pick for Pioli is Berry. Probably. FAX
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