So, who's ready for another year of the worst linebacker corps in the NFL?

[Hammock Parties]

I am flabbergasted that we made no attempt to upgrade our linebackers this offseason.

Nothing in free agency. Nothing in the draft, unless you count a converted defensive end who is clearly going to play OLB, but doesn't have a prayer of starting. Fortunately we still have Patriot Way to rush the passer. What do you want to bet he's even slower and less athletic than he was a year ago at 34 ****ing years of age? He'll be 35 when the season starts.

Corey Mays and Derrick Johnson can't tackle for shit. Mays missed FOURTEEN tackles last year. Johnson missed more tackles per snap than any other Chief. He wasn't on the field for a very good reason - HE SUCKS. Maybe we're counting on Jovan Belcher?

Tamba Hali is all alone again.

Criminal.

[DeezNutz]

Originally Posted by Pawnmower

I think you are quite misinformed. I don't know where you got this 'information' from but I guarantee you that if we go 6-10 or 7-9 and our team has made strides in the fundamental areas (rushing the QB, making 1st downs, field position, time of possession) this year that Pioli's job is not only safe, but he will get a lot of credit and praise.

These fundamental things were completely ****ed on our team when he took over a year ago. It isn't an overnight process to change the entire culture of a team that was playing THAT poorly.....

I just think that you are flat out wrong with your black/white view of the 8-8 number. The win loss doesn't mean anything in 2010-2011. Nothing.

Statistically, this team regressed in '09. People point to wins to justify progress. So which is it?

Changing the culture? Puke. I'm not a fan of the empty rhetoric that Pioli and company are so familiar with (see: right 53, it's a process).

[Ming the Merciless]

Originally Posted by DeezNutz

Statistically, this team regressed in '09. People point to wins to justify progress. So which is it?

Changing the culture? Puke. I'm not a fan of the empty rhetoric that Pioli and company are so familiar with (see: right 53, it's a process).

Wins are only a shadow of the Mountain. WHen the mountain is higher, the shadow grows.

The most important things (the Mountain) are the basics of football - time of possesion, line of scrimmage, pressure on the QB, 1st downs, turnovers. The occaisional big play is nice too, if you have some playmakers.

You cannot magically make the shadow grow, you must make the mountain bigger.


That is my opnion...As far as changing the culture, that is what Pioli is trying to do...I agree it is rhetorical...But if it works, he will be a genius. If not....

[Just Passin' By]

Originally Posted by DeezNutz

I don't think it's stupid to say that it shouldn't take 4 years to field a legit team in KC. We supposedly have the best GM and two of the better coordinators in the league.

We have an in-his-prime QB and one of the best RBs* in the league (completely admit that if JC regresses, that will be huge).

The defense Pioli inherited was comprised of all day-one picks on the line and a talented secondary.

Claims that the roster was "devoid of talent" are not accurate. We were missing the single biggest piece, QB, and Pioli supposedly corrected that problem.

8-8, approximately, is a perfectly reasonable expectation for 2010. Playoff run in 2011. Not saying SB in 2011, just an appearance in the playoffs.

8-8 is not a "perfectly reasonable expectation for 2010", and you bloody well know it. That's the sort of bullshit I'd expect from a Hamas or Mecca post.

The Chiefs arguably had less talent than the Lions when Pioli arrived, for crying out loud, and were certainly among the 2-3 least talented teams in the league. You know that, as well. You've spent the better part of a year bitching about damned near everything, and overlooking that elephant in the room. As for that talent on the line and in the secondary, I can only assume you're kidding.

[LetsSignRussell]

I just looked at piolis draft last year. omfg that was pathetic. not a single guy did shit except succop

[Hammock Parties]

Originally Posted by The Meat Dragon

GoChiefs will flip his tune after the first week of training camp when there are nothing but rave reviews over McCluster and Arenas...

Those are picks that will turn out to be every bit as good as our Flowers 2nd round pick a few years ago.

I never flip out over training camp reports.

I'll flip out if we come out roaring in preseason. Last year we sucked ass, and it was a harbinger.

[CarlPeterson_fan]

And you guys thought that Maslowski, Kawika, and Fujita were bad? Of course, I did let Kawika and Fujita walk, and now they have SB rngs. But at least I drafted them. Pioli has to at least draft them first. A kick returner in the second round??

[Hammock Parties]

Originally Posted by CarlPeterson

A kick returner in the second round??

Shut the **** up.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

I think Studebaker will be the starter by game eight, if not by performance, if by injury.

God I hope so.

Originally Posted by The Meat Dragon

GoChiefs will flip his tune after the first week of training camp when there are nothing but rave reviews over McCluster and Arenas...

Those are picks that will turn out to be every bit as good as our Flowers 2nd round pick a few years ago.

Yeah............
No.

Originally Posted by Just Passin' By

Could you give us a complete list of-

I feel much better now, thanks.

Originally Posted by GoChiefs

I never flip out over training camp reports.

I'll flip out if we come out roaring in preseason. Last year we sucked ass, and it was a harbinger.

We both flipped out over TC. Be honest, Grasshopper.

[Mr. Flopnuts]

Carl Peterson got pwned.

[keg in kc]

Originally Posted by DeezNutz

Statistically, this team regressed in '09. People point to wins to justify progress. So which is it?

I can only speak for me, so the dude you quoted can answer for himself, but when a team wins more games against a (much) tougher schedule despite all the turnover, coaches and players, I would say that's a sign of improvement, regardless of what their yardage or scoring stats may say.

But, on the other hand, I would agree with you that (fan) expectations for this team in 2010 should fall into the 7-9 to 9-7 range. Because if they do "make strides" as the other fellow proposed - and I think they should based on the offseason to date - there's no reason they should win fewer games than that, with the teams on their schedule.

And they should be a contender for the division in 2011. If they've done a good job building things, they should be in the 10+ win neighborhood by that point. And then they should stay there for a while.

But, then again, that's been my expectation all along: Rough season in 2009 (tear-down year, for both the organization and the roster), Bounce-back in 2010 (re-build year), Contend in 2011.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by keg in kc

I can only speak for me, so the dude you quoted can answer for himself, but when a team wins more games against a (much) tougher schedule despite all the turnover, coaches and players, I would say that's a sign of improvement, regardless of what their yardage or scoring stats may say.

But, on the other hand, I would agree with you that (fan) expectations for this team in 2010 should fall into the 7-9 to 9-7 range. Because if they do "make strides" as the other fellow proposed - and I think they should based on the offseason to date - there's no reason they should win fewer games than that, with the teams on their schedule.

And they should be a contender for the division in 2011. If they've done a good job building things, they should be in the 10+ win neighborhood by that point. And then they should stay there for a while.

But, then again, that's been my expectation all along: Rough season in 2009 (tear-down year, for both the organization and the roster), Bounce-back in 2010 (re-build year), Contend in 2011.

If everything comes together in 2011, I agree that they'll likely contend for a playoff spot.

But I think it'll be 2012 (again, if everything comes together) before they'll likely contend for a Super Bowl.

After that, all of the pieces should be in place and this team should be good for quite a long while.

[OnTheWarpath15]

Originally Posted by keg in kc

I can only speak for me, so the dude you quoted can answer for himself, but when a team wins more games against a (much) tougher schedule despite all the turnover, coaches and players, I would say that's a sign of improvement, regardless of what their yardage or scoring stats may say.

The problem with that is that they didn't play a tougher schedule.

We did the math at the end of last season and it was easier.

[keg in kc]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

If everything comes together in 2011, I agree that they'll likely contend for a playoff spot.

But I think it'll be 2012 (again, if everything comes together) before they'll likely contend for a Super Bowl.

After that, all of the pieces should be in place and this team should be good for quite a long while.

Contending in the superbowl sense will depend on the quarterback position. If Cassel exceeds everybody but the front office's expectations, next year is a possibility. If he doesn't, then it will probably be 2012 at the best, unless they're the Jets of last year, with a team so strong defensively and in the run game that they can overcome the play of a rookie QB.

But I was saying "contending" in the smaller sense. For the division.

Although it's entirely possible they do that this year.

[keg in kc]

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

The problem with that is that they didn't play a tougher schedule.

We did the math at the end of last season and it was easier.

I would say that ultimately that's irrelevant to the larger discussion. Picking a "winner" between the 2008 Chiefs and 2009 Chiefs is sort of like trying to decide whether you want to date the girl with gonorrhea or the girl with syphilis.

Where they go from here is what counts. Hopefully 2010 doesn't end up being the girl with herpes.

[OnTheWarpath15]

Originally Posted by keg in kc

I would say that ultimately that's irrelevant to the larger discussion. Picking a "winner" between the 2008 Chiefs and 2009 Chiefs is sort of like trying to decide whether you want to date the girl with gonorrhea or the girl with syphilis.

Where they go from here is what counts. Hopefully 2010 doesn't end up being the girl with herpes.

That's fair.

Just pointing out the statistics.