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**Tribal Warfare** · 04-25-2010, 12:13 AM

I've heard from several sources that there was a heated debate within the Chiefs when the #36 pick came up. Weis was adamant that Classen was the pick. Pioli and Haley still believe that Cassell can be the QB that we need and we can pass on Claussen at that pick. This was Pioli's decision. Pioli's top priorites were playmakers and to add team speed.

The Chiefs were told that Philly was going to pick McCkuster so they pulled the trigger at 2a. The plan was to drat him at 2B.

Many rumors that this is Haley's last year unless there is major improvement not just in the Cheifs record but the locker room and team chemistry. I guess there were a lot of locker room issues last season and that is also what is driving Pioli with the high charector players. Sorry, but I don't know the details, all I know is that there were many issues in the locker room and with team chemistry.

**The Franchise** · 04-25-2010, 12:11 PM

Well Pioli and Haley have now completely hitched themselves to Cassel. Cassel better prove to be a franchise QB or Pioli is going to look like a ****ing moron. It's just to bad that Haley will probably take the heat if Cassel doesn't perform.

tk13 · 04-25-2010, 12:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Pestilence

Well Pioli and Haley have now completely hitched themselves to Cassel. Cassel better prove to be a franchise QB or Pioli is going to look like a ****ing moron. It's just to bad that Haley will probably take the heat if Cassel doesn't perform.

To a point... but if Cassel bombs this year they can just dump him. And next year's QB class is better than this one.

**The Franchise** · 04-25-2010, 12:17 PM

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Originally Posted by tk13

To a point... but if Cassel bombs this year they can just dump him. And next year's QB class is better than this one.

And we're one year behind.....again. If we go 7-9 (which is possible with our shitty schedule)....then we're going to have to trade up for a QB.

Frankie · 04-25-2010, 12:18 PM

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Originally Posted by tk13

... but if Cassel bombs this year they can just dump him. And next year's QB class is better than this one.

And that's the right strategy for were we are now.

milkman · 04-25-2010, 12:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Pestilence

And we're one year behind.....again. If we go 7-9 (which is possible with our shitty schedule)....then we're going to have to trade up for a QB.

Well, at least we know that Pioli is capable of trading up.

Frankie · 04-25-2010, 12:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Pestilence

And we're one year behind.....again. If we go 7-9 (which is possible with our shitty schedule)....then we're going to have to trade up for a QB.

I Cassel does pan out the we are one year ahead. It's all give and take.

**DeezNutz** · 04-25-2010, 12:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Pestilence

And we're one year behind.....again. If we go 7-9 (which is possible with our shitty schedule)....then we're going to have to trade up for a QB.

Assuming that only 3 come out, I'd expect one to drop into the teens. They're not all going top 10.

johnny961 · 04-25-2010, 12:20 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman

Why do people not look at the sack numbers for New England in '06, '07, and '08 and not recognize that, while the O-line here was bad, Cassel was every bit as responsible for that high sack number?

I want a ****ing QB that raises the level of play around him, not some scrub that will be okay when he's surrounded by superior talent.

And no, that QB I wanted was not Jimmy Clausen.

I'm just get ****ing tired of you dumbasses making excuses for a shitty ****ing QB.

I guess I didn't make my point exactly clear here. Do I think we overpaid for an average QB? Absolutely. Would a pro bowl level QB with a cannon arm and pinpoint accuracy, along with flawless decision making be helpful? Without a doubt. But, the Cassel deal is a done deal, like it or not, and what he does bring to the table is a servicable package although there is a high probability that he'll never see a pro bowl or the hall of fame. And, right now IMHO, we have bigger fish to fry as far as needs are concerned, and you don't waste draft picks and/or big FA money on one position such as QB when you have other glaring areas that suck worse than the QB right now. Like run defense/pass rush and pass protection/blocking. Maybe a receiver that can consistently catch the damn ball. Thats the point I was trying to make was that I think we have bigger areas of need right now before an upgrade at QB becomes feasible. Take care of the things that are killing you the worst before looking at luxury upgrades that you can do without for now. You gotta see the big picture here, and right now there are things this team as a whole needs a hell of alot worse than a QB. Which is why I think we passed on Clausen or any other QB out there for that matter. Just my .02.

**DeezNutz** · 04-25-2010, 12:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Frankie

I Cassel does pan out the we are one year ahead. It's all give and take.

28-year-old QBs don't pan. We know what he is.

chiefzilla1501 · 04-25-2010, 12:21 PM

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Originally Posted by mcaj22

Anybody with a brain knew Philly was going safety with that early 2nd round pick. They were so high on the safeties and worked out Berry, Earl Thomas and Nate Allen just like the Chiefs did prior to the draft. They were taking Nate Allen there, the last of the first round talent graded safeties, I'd imagine someone told the Chiefs that Philly was going to take McShitter and the Chiefs clearly got cold feet and shit themselves. I'm sure Philly might have been targeting him with their second 2nd rounder. Like the NFL network said, a team like the Eagles has the option to take a luxury pick that early, when you only win 4 games, there is no point in making that pick.

This is just a sad draft if its the case of the Chiefs front office protecting themselves, instead of going for clear best player available to your needs.

They were also selling the idea that they were looking to trade up and Earl Thomas and Berry were their targets. They instead traded up, passed on Thomas at a great value, and drafted Graham. There are multiple sources that seem to be reporting that McCluster was Philly's pick and almost every draft guru is saying it was a great pick for the spot. I'm a lot more likely to believe the post-draft buzz than the pre-draft buzz that's filled with smokescreens.

**The Franchise** · 04-25-2010, 12:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Frankie

I Cassel does pan out the we are one year ahead. It's all give and take.

Cassel is what he is.

**BigRedChief** · 04-25-2010, 12:24 PM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

They were also selling the idea that they were looking to trade up and Earl Thomas and Berry were their targets. They instead traded up, passed on Thomas at a great value, and drafted Graham. There are multiple sources that seem to be reporting that McCluster was Philly's pick and almost every draft guru is saying it was a great pick for the spot. I'm a lot more likely to believe the post-draft buzz than the pre-draft buzz that's filled with smokescreens.

To be fair it still could be BS and misinformation being "leaked" to benefit a team one way or the other. It seems to me that more and more that NFL teams feel they have the freedom to lie and plant false stories in the media and leak to bloggers to benefit their own aims.

tk13 · 04-25-2010, 12:24 PM

You can't look at it that way... this is the QB position. People are so bent on having any QB. You aren't one year behind anything, these guys come out when they come out. You'd be better to wait for a great one than reach for one in an average class.

chiefzilla1501 · 04-25-2010, 12:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Tribal Warfare

I've heard from several sources that there was a heated debate within the Chiefs when the #36 pick came up. Weis was adamant that Classen was the pick. Pioli and Haley still believe that Cassell can be the QB that we need and we can pass on Claussen at that pick. This was Pioli's decision. Pioli's top priorites were playmakers and to add team speed.

The Chiefs were told that Philly was going to pick McCkuster so they pulled the trigger at 2a. The plan was to drat him at 2B.

Many rumors that this is Haley's last year unless there is major improvement not just in the Cheifs record but the locker room and team chemistry. I guess there were a lot of locker room issues last season and that is also what is driving Pioli with the high charector players. Sorry, but I don't know the details, all I know is that there were many issues in the locker room and with team chemistry.

There were two areas I believe we whiffed. I think they should have traded up from 50 for Clausen, but then, I think Carolina taking him was sort of a surprise pick based on how well Matt Moore played toward the end of the season. I also think we whiffed by not making some kind of a trade into the 6th round when we saw Lefevour was still on the board.

The good news is, they let the scouts run the draft and not let a coach dominate the draft. The bad news is, I agree, we lost a potential franchise QB in the process. But granted, if Clausen fell that low, I can guarantee there was more to it than character.

SenselessChiefsFan · 04-25-2010, 12:26 PM

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I don't care what the reasoning was. I have been content in the past to say that Pioli and the scouts know more about these players than me. But seriously. How on earth do they have McCluster and Arenas higher on their boards than Clausen, Kindle, Tate, Cody, and Mays. All of these guys had first round talent and would have made an immediate impact. Most of them would have even started this season. I can't believe I am saying this, but I agree with Hamas. Pioli is an idiot.

Just typing that I agree with Hamas has made me sick to my stomach.

Okay, lets look at Clausen. Decent talent, but a headcase. So, why take a guy marginally ahead of Cassel in terms of talent, and pretty much already at his ceiling, when he has an attitude problem and, according to some, a recurring toe injury? The kid has the entitlement complex. Weis knew that better than anyone else. Why draft someone you know expects it given to him?

Kindle- Off field issues, somewhat immature, AND he has knee issues. Some think that he will need micro-fracture surgery.

Tate- A guy who is only an inch taller than McCluster and isn't as shifty. He can't come out of the backfield. He is faster in a straight line, but is not as athletic and he doesn't move his hips as well. He just doesn't fit as well coming out of the slot.... and he is smaller than preferred on the outside.

Cody-He has work ethic issues. And, returner is a bigger need than NT for this year.

Mays-Workout warrior.... underachiever on the field.

Okay, so instead of these guys, who are either average like Tate or Mays.... or have reasons to believe that they are probably going to be out of the league soon..... like Cody, Clausen, and Kindle...... they took one of the best playmakers in the draft. A guy that will give the Chiefs offense a real spark and offers them a mismatch. He can go anywhere on the field and he can make plays.

And, you draft the best returner in the draft. I am sure that Hester is worth his second round pick.... and, Arenas can actually play corner. He is a good, very smart, nickel corner.

The Chiefs took elite talent at their roles over 'decent' starters. I am okay with that.

04-25-2010, 12:13 AM
Tribal Warfare Man of Culture Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Far Beyond Comprehension Casino cash: $-2977187	From the friend of our's E-mail I've heard from several sources that there was a heated debate within the Chiefs when the #36 pick came up. Weis was adamant that Classen was the pick. Pioli and Haley still believe that Cassell can be the QB that we need and we can pass on Claussen at that pick. This was Pioli's decision. Pioli's top priorites were playmakers and to add team speed. The Chiefs were told that Philly was going to pick McCkuster so they pulled the trigger at 2a. The plan was to drat him at 2B. Many rumors that this is Haley's last year unless there is major improvement not just in the Cheifs record but the locker room and team chemistry. I guess there were a lot of locker room issues last season and that is also what is driving Pioli with the high charector players. Sorry, but I don't know the details, all I know is that there were many issues in the locker room and with team chemistry.
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The Franchise Most Valuable Villain Join Date: Dec 2006 Casino cash: $2065047	Well Pioli and Haley have now completely hitched themselves to Cassel. Cassel better prove to be a franchise QB or Pioli is going to look like a ****ing moron. It's just to bad that Haley will probably take the heat if Cassel doesn't perform.
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tk13 ... Join Date: Nov 2001 Casino cash: $-1877500	You can't look at it that way... this is the QB position. People are so bent on having any QB. You aren't one year behind anything, these guys come out when they come out. You'd be better to wait for a great one than reach for one in an average class.
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