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Mecca · 09-05-2010, 09:11 PM

If Gilbert catches on with a 3-4 team he'll be ok, he was never suited to play DT.

keg in kc · 09-05-2010, 09:15 PM

Some day I'd like to see them pick somebody off waivers who doesn't make me think "who?" and/or "why?"

Although Chris Chambers last year wasn't too bad.

**DaneMcCloud** · 09-05-2010, 09:25 PM

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Originally Posted by keg in kc

Some day I'd like to see them pick somebody off waivers who doesn't make me think "who?" and/or "why?"

Although Chris Chambers last year wasn't too bad.

Considering the multiple arrests and threats from his "stalker" towards his wife, and his lack of football presence, it's no wonder that San Diego even decided to go into the season with him.

But it's all good now, since he divorced his wife and married his stalker.

I'm sure at age 32 and after signing a nice extension with the Chiefs, he'll be as good as new.

Frankie · 09-06-2010, 05:07 PM

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Originally Posted by keg in kc

Some day I'd like to see them pick somebody off waivers who doesn't make me think "who?" and/or "why?"

Although Chris Chambers last year wasn't too bad.

The Chiefs have a tendency to make those kind of picks out of mid-season desperation. It seems they almost never make necessary free agent picks in the off-season geared to preparing the team for the season beforehand. Instead of being active rebuilding the team they are almost always reactive. It is very very frustrating.

Mecca · 09-05-2010, 09:26 PM

You shut down receivers with a pass rush not by drafting 50 CB's in a league that has rules that favor the offense in coverage.

Until the Chiefs have a pass rush and a competent front 7 they will continue to get passed and run upon.

chiefzilla1501 · 09-05-2010, 09:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

You shut down receivers with a pass rush not by drafting 50 CB's in a league that has rules that favor the offense in coverage.

Until the Chiefs have a pass rush and a competent front 7 they will continue to get passed and run upon.

First of all, there are plenty of really good defenses that are a lot more talented in the secondary than they are up front. The Bengals, Packers, and Jets are classic examples. Those teams aren't bad up front, but their greatest strengths by a mile are in their secondaries. And there are plenty of teams that are very good up front, but struggled because they can't stop the pass. Philly was a mess without Lito Sheppard, Brian Dawkins, and Sheldon Brown. Dallas is another example.

Point being, of course we need better play up front and that takes priority. But a Nickel Back is extremely important in our 5-year plan. We're not going to win without one--not in this league. So what does it matter if it was today or tomorrow that we got the guy we want?

Mecca · 09-05-2010, 09:44 PM

Uh..The Bengals secondary is ok, their safeties are piss poor, I think their front 7 is a little better than their secondary.

Also the Packers are talented in general but if you were listing out needs CB is the first one that comes to mind. I think that's highly arguable where the Packers are better at. Sure Woodson and Collins are top of the line players but Atari Bigby is probably getting replaced by a 2nd rounder and they have issues at the other CB spot.

What I find interesting about that entire post is Dallas has a better front 7 than Cincy does and their secondary is basically the same thing 2 good CB's and blah safeties so what kind of point was this trying to make again?

Mecca · 09-06-2010, 01:13 AM

I don't think anyone declared the Bengals the draft winner, Smith was questionable, their 2nd and 3rd round picks however were good picks so people liked those.

I'm trying to remember which drafts I liked the best right after the draft. I really liked the Giants draft I remember that one. Baltimore, Green Bay the usual suspects.

Actually if you want to use a team as an example that was declared the draft winner following the 2009 draft, it's the Eagles not the Bengals, pretty sure everyone loved all their picks.

**SAUTO** · 09-06-2010, 09:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

I don't think anyone declared the Bengals the draft winner, Smith was questionable, their 2nd and 3rd round picks however were good picks so people liked those.

I'm trying to remember which drafts I liked the best right after the draft. I really liked the Giants draft I remember that one. Baltimore, Green Bay the usual suspects.

Actually if you want to use a team as an example that was declared the draft winner following the 2009 draft, it's the Eagles not the Bengals, pretty sure everyone loved all their picks.

Actually i think some did.

Mecca · 09-06-2010, 02:46 AM

Actually what I said was I wouldn't take Crabtree top 10 when Nicks is going to go in the bottom of the 1st round and they are virtually the same player.

I still stand by that today after their rookie years. Michael Crabtree is not 20 some slots better than Hakeem Nicks, hell he may not even be better.

**BossChief** · 09-06-2010, 02:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

Actually what I said was I wouldn't take Crabtree top 10 when Nicks is going to go in the bottom of the 1st round and they are virtually the same player.

I still stand by that today after their rookie years. Michael Crabtree is not 20 some slots better than Hakeem Nicks, hell he may not even be better.

well, if you insist:

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showp...4&postcount=79

Maybe I'm weird but if I had a pick of WR and TE...I'd take Heyward-Bey and Cook over Crabtree and Coffman.

...

I thought I remember reading that.

**Reaper16** · 09-06-2010, 09:33 AM

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Originally Posted by BossChief

well, if you insist:

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showp...4&postcount=79

Maybe I'm weird but if I had a pick of WR and TE...I'd take Heyward-Bey and Cook over Crabtree and Coffman.

...

I thought I remember reading that.

I'd rather have Heyward-Bey than Crabtree, too. Heyward-Bey has upside.

-King- · 09-06-2010, 11:49 AM

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I'd rather have Heyward-Bey than Crabtree, too. Heyward-Bey has upside.

What upside does he have over crabtree?
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**Reaper16** · 09-06-2010, 12:07 PM

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What upside does he have over crabtree?
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The physical attributes, speed namely, that the Raiders so prized in Heyward-Bey give him a higher ceiling. Crabtree seems maxed out, is slow, is a poor route-runner. Heyward-Bey has a better chance of busting than Crabtree but also a much better chance at becoming an elite player.

Titty Meat · 09-06-2010, 12:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Reaper16

I'd rather have Heyward-Bey than Crabtree, too. Heyward-Bey has upside.

I'd rather have Crabtree he played well with a shitty QB. You what they say if "I buy a lottery ticket I have the chance to be a millionare". Thats how I feel about Heyword-Bey he was a 2nd round talent not a first.

09-05-2010, 09:11 PM	#1
Mecca Hockey Town Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Kansas City, Missouri Casino cash: $-722950	If Gilbert catches on with a 3-4 team he'll be ok, he was never suited to play DT.
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09-05-2010, 09:15 PM	#2
keg in kc oxymoron Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: OP/KC/Whatever Casino cash: $9556299	Some day I'd like to see them pick somebody off waivers who doesn't make me think "who?" and/or "why?" Although Chris Chambers last year wasn't too bad.
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09-05-2010, 09:26 PM	#5
Mecca Hockey Town Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Kansas City, Missouri Casino cash: $-722950	You shut down receivers with a pass rush not by drafting 50 CB's in a league that has rules that favor the offense in coverage. Until the Chiefs have a pass rush and a competent front 7 they will continue to get passed and run upon.
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09-05-2010, 09:44 PM	#7
Mecca Hockey Town Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Kansas City, Missouri Casino cash: $-722950	Uh..The Bengals secondary is ok, their safeties are piss poor, I think their front 7 is a little better than their secondary. Also the Packers are talented in general but if you were listing out needs CB is the first one that comes to mind. I think that's highly arguable where the Packers are better at. Sure Woodson and Collins are top of the line players but Atari Bigby is probably getting replaced by a 2nd rounder and they have issues at the other CB spot. What I find interesting about that entire post is Dallas has a better front 7 than Cincy does and their secondary is basically the same thing 2 good CB's and blah safeties so what kind of point was this trying to make again?
Posts: 115,380

09-06-2010, 01:13 AM	#8
Mecca Hockey Town Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Kansas City, Missouri Casino cash: $-722950	I don't think anyone declared the Bengals the draft winner, Smith was questionable, their 2nd and 3rd round picks however were good picks so people liked those. I'm trying to remember which drafts I liked the best right after the draft. I really liked the Giants draft I remember that one. Baltimore, Green Bay the usual suspects. Actually if you want to use a team as an example that was declared the draft winner following the 2009 draft, it's the Eagles not the Bengals, pretty sure everyone loved all their picks.
Posts: 115,380

09-06-2010, 02:46 AM	#10
Mecca Hockey Town Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Kansas City, Missouri Casino cash: $-722950	Actually what I said was I wouldn't take Crabtree top 10 when Nicks is going to go in the bottom of the 1st round and they are virtually the same player. I still stand by that today after their rookie years. Michael Crabtree is not 20 some slots better than Hakeem Nicks, hell he may not even be better.
Posts: 115,380