Did you over-react to the work of Scott Pioli?

[jAZ]

There were a whole lot of people who lost patience with Scott Pioli starting after the hiring of Todd Haley and the 1st pick in the 2009 draft.

The Haley Hire sucked.
The Tyson Jackson pick sucked.
The Cassel/Vrabel trade sucked.
The whole 2009 Draft sucked.
Tamba Hali sucks.
The Dexter McCluster pick sucked.
The Tony Moeaki pick sucked.
The moves on the OL sucked.
The majority of the 2010 draft sucked.
Playing Thomas Jones so much sucks.

What else am I missing?

[RealSNR]

Incomplete poll. Not enough choices.

[Bearcat]

Originally Posted by -King-

Why the **** not? Whats wrong with being happy that you're right? Especially if you're right about the team being good. Add to the fact that the people who are right right now were insulted up and down the message board since Pioli was hired, I think they deserve the right to gloat.

Like I said, some people seem like they are more concerned about being right, or ridiculing someone's 6-month old opinion than what happens on the field. Yeah, it's natural to come back and say "I told you so," and there's nothing wrong with that, really. And yeah, once there's undeniable proof that you're right, I think you deserve to gloat.

However, the game-to-game -- and sometimes play to play -- onslaught of "See, I told you Cassel sucks" & "See, I told you Cassel was good" posts gets really ****ing old.

For starters, it's reeruned to think you can evaluate a player or a coach or a franchise with long term goals in mind after every play or every game, yet it doesn't stop people from creating I Told You So threads every week. People claim they've watched every single game for the past 40 years, yet they're so fickle, short sighted, and set on proving someone else wrong, they can't spot & analyze trends, much less *gasp* try to see both sides of the argument?

This thread was created the day they went 3-0. So, the "I told you so" moment for Pioli supporters was winning 3 games in a row? That's it? He's cool now? (ftr, I've never been anti-Pioli or anti-Haley). What's the point, right now, of starting an "I told you so about Cassel" thread? There are still plenty of "wait and see" factors... is his chance for future success debatable? Sure. Should anyone be gloating they were right all along about the guy? Right about what, being able to beat the Rams or Seahawks? ...or, oh, what about that one drive against Buffalo.

[jAZ]

Originally Posted by Reerun_KC

Were message board fans, not NFL exec's....

That's exactly the point. Failing to recognize that last season (every season really) is the problem a lot of people have. There are so many more pieces to the building a successful franchise that we pretend we know what we are talking about when we don't. No matter how much effort we put into evaluating talent, we have no idea what we are talking about. We are pretending.

So taking seriously any opinions we form about player or team evaluations is ridiculous. Wait and see the results on the field.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by jAZ

That's exactly the point. Failing to recognize that last season (every season really) is the problem a lot of people have. There are so many more pieces to the building a successful franchise that we pretend we know what we are talking about when we don't. No matter how much effort we put into evaluating talent, we have no idea what we are talking about. We are pretending.

So taking seriously any opinions we form about player or team evaluations is ridiculous. Wait and see the results on the field.

No one gives a **** about your opinion. You're a ****ing worthless troll at this point.

Go back to the cesspool that is DC.

[jAZ]

Originally Posted by Bearcat

For starters, it's reeruned to think you can evaluate a player or a coach or a franchise with long term goals in mind after every play or every game, yet it doesn't stop people from creating I Told You So threads every week. People claim they've watched every single game for the past 40 years, yet they're so fickle, short sighted, and set on proving someone else wrong, they can't spot & analyze trends, much less *gasp* try to see both sides of the argument?

This thread was created the day they went 3-0. So, the "I told you so" moment for Pioli supporters was winning 3 games in a row? That's it? He's cool now? (ftr, I've never been anti-Pioli or anti-Haley). What's the point, right now, of starting an "I told you so about Cassel" thread? There are still plenty of "wait and see" factors... is his chance for future success debatable? Sure. Should anyone be gloating they were right all along about the guy? Right about what, being able to beat the Rams or Seahawks? ...or, oh, what about that one drive against Buffalo.

It appears that we agree 100% and you are wildly mis-(interpreting or misrepresenting) my point.

From the beginning, I've objected to the same process you are objecting to. People who "claim they've watched every single game for the past 40 years, yet they're so fickle, short sighted, and set on proving someone else wrong, they can't spot & analyze trends, much less *gasp* try to see both sides of the argument".

This isn't a "Pioli is a god, and I've been telling you this all along" thread.

It's more of a...

"you people who form fickle, short sighted, snap decisions are doing it wrong... this game is so much more complicated than fans working day jobs doing other things don't have nearly the time or information to possibly judge any particular decision either way. There are cap factors, personality factors, talent factors, under coaching factors, fit to system factors, value of position factors, phases of implementation factors... and on and on and on... It's incredibly rare to effectively judge all of those factors even when it's your full time, highly paid professional duty. For Joe-fan to ever take their ill-informed opinion seriously is just wildly wrong-headed. Wait for the on-field results to develop. That's what matters."

... thread.

Last year, we won 2x as many games as the season before. This year we doubled our wins again.

That's great progress, but as Clayton points out, we have more waiting to do.

But the process that some people are committed to, which is taking their own football evaluation skills way too seriously... is just wrong headed. It will be that way with this GM and coach... just like it was with Herm and CP.

For the record, and for all these same reasons, I give all of my teams coaches and GM/ADs the time to prove it to me either way. Looking back, I think Pioli was right to hire Haley, but I was willing to give Herm another season with his own guys.

[Bugeater]

Originally Posted by jAZ

but I was willing to give Herm another season with his own guys.

Dude...Herm was a goddamn idiot.

[jAZ]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

No one gives a **** about your opinion. You're a ****ing worthless troll at this point.

Go back to the cesspool that is DC.

Yeah, you definitely fall into the category of one who takes your own football evaluation skills too seriously.

[jAZ]

Originally Posted by Bugeater

Dude...Herm was a goddamn idiot.

The same idiot who Clayton and others keep crediting our current success to the players he drafted. He's not the coach I would have wanted, but I didn't take my own opinion too seriously when CP picked him... and I took a wait and see approach when he finally (thankfully) pushed us into a youth movement.

If Pioli gave him another season to see what he could do, I'd have understood the thought process. When he made a change, I was fine with that too.

These guys are paid professionals and CP posters are not... for a reason.

[L.A. Chieffan]

I don't know about u guys but that '09 draft looks like a winner to me

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by jAZ

Yeah, you definitely fall into the category of one who takes your own football evaluation skills too seriously.

Yeah, and you definitely fall into the category of a ****ing diipshit, one who takes his worth on Chiefsplanet as far too seriously.

No one ever has, nor ever will, give a **** about you or your "opinion".

Douchelord.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by L.A.Chieffan

I don't know about u guys but that '09 draft looks like a winner to me

[jAZ]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Yeah, and you definitely fall into the category of a ****ing diipshit, one who takes his worth on Chiefsplanet as far too seriously.

No one ever has, nor ever will, give a **** about you or your "opinion".

Douchelord.

My opinion got you to lash out in this thread.

That would be jAZ 1, Dane 0 for anyone keeping score on this one.

[Bearcat]

Originally Posted by jAZ

It appears that we agree 100% and you are wildly mis-(interpreting or misrepresenting) my point.

...

That all makes sense (well, not the part about Herm, IMO... I think there was ample evidence at that point to show he was never going to get it as a HC), and at least this thread was a look back at 1.75 years and not just a handful of moves or games.

Threads like this could act more like a progress report... it is cool to see how opinions change and it's great to see a coach or player or whoever learn from their mistakes and get better at their job... and it creates better conversation than "OMG did you see that pass, I told you he can lead us to playoff victories!!!"

[Hammock Parties]

Originally Posted by jAZ

My opinion got you to lash out in this thread.

That would be jAZ 1, Dane 0 for anyone keeping score on this one.

Dane lashes out in every thread.

You're not special.

You should be thanking him for the grace which he has bestowed upon your 456th dumb football thread.

[jAZ]

Originally Posted by Gif Horse

Dane lashes out in every thread.

You're not special.

You should be thanking him for the grace which he has bestowed upon your 456th dumb football thread.

Hey, if you and Dane are lashing out at my plea for (some) posters to stop taking themselves and their own football opinions too seriously... then it's been a worthwhile effort.