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Jawshco · 08:34 PM

I'm not sure what to think about this, but I'm just tired of sue happy parents trying to wussify our kids. Although, I admit this is kind of messed up.

http://www.fresnobee.com/2010/12/07/...-wrestler.html

DA offers wrestler deal in sexual battery case

Posted at 11:32 PM on Tuesday, Dec. 07, 2010
By Pablo Lopez / The Fresno Bee Share133

Was Clovis wrestler's legal move an illegal act?

In a crowded gym during practice in front of parents and coaches, the Buchanan High School wrestler tackled a teammate and executed a move his coaches taught him.
He inserted his fingers between the boy's buttocks.
It's called the "butt drag," in which a wrestler grabs a rival's butt cheek and puts fingers in the anus to get leverage. The move is widely used at matches around the country and has been around for decades.

Prosecutors have offered a deal to a California teen wrestler charged with sexual battery for ramming his fingers into the rectum of his high school opponent during a practice match.
The 17-year-old Clovis youth, who has been expelled by the school, faces trial in Fresno on Thursday.
Clovis police say the July penetration incident led to the charge, but defense lawyer Stephen Quade says the teenager used a legitimate wrestling move called the "butt drag."

I suppose it's too late for apologies and rational discussion in the case of the wrestling move that Clovis police and the Fresno County District Attorney's Office say was sexual battery.
We're not much for letting principals, parents, coaches and young people work things out for the benefit of all parties these days. Instead, we're quick to call the cops or the lawyers or the media and move school disputes into the public arena -- where opinions form hard and fast and students may lose their privacy.
If you missed the story, here's the summary. A former Buchanan High School wrestler is headed to a juvenile court trial Thursday on allegations that he committed a misdemeanor on a younger teammate by performing a "butt drag" during a practice session last summer.

The pending trial of a former Buchanan High wrestler charged with a sex crime has many in the community alarmed about the sport's already fragile future.
"This isn't good," Sunnyside High coach David Wheeler said Monday. "California has lost college wrestling programs at Fresno State and UC Davis. We don't need any bad attention to the sport if we want to keep it going."
Preston Hill, the former Buchanan senior who has since been expelled, faces a sexual battery charge after police say he rammed two fingers into a teammate's anus during a wrestling practice last summer. The trial begins Thursday in Fresno County Superior Court.

The Fresno County District Attorney's Office is having second thoughts about prosecuting a Buchanan High School wrestler for sexual battery.

Preston Hill, 17, is due to go on trial Thursday. Clovis police and the alleged victim said Preston rammed two fingers into the teammate's anus during wrestling practice in July. Preston's attorney says he used a legitimate wrestling move called the "butt drag."

Amid a public uproar over the case that began after The Bee reported it on Sunday, prosecutors met with Preston's attorney on Tuesday to offer a deal: The case would be dismissed if Preston -- who has been expelled from Buchanan -- stayed out of trouble for several months.

Unlike most such deals, it would not require Preston to admit guilt.

But Stephen Quade, who represents Preston, said his client will likely reject the offer because he didn't do anything wrong.

JOHN WALKER / THE FRESNO BEE
The Fresno County District Attorney's Office has offered to dismiss a sexual battery charge against Preston Hill, 17 (pictured with his mother, Kirsten Hill). The Buchanan High School student was charged in connection with a wrestling move called a "butt drag" during a team practice.
Fresno court case alarms wrestling community Wrestling dispute begs for sense Quade said he is prepared to go to trial.

Complicating the case is an apparent disagreement within the District Attorney's Office about how to proceed.

A person with detailed knowledge of the case, speaking on condition of anonymity, said prosecutor Elana Smith is resisting instructions from her boss, District Attorney Elizabeth Egan, to drop the case.

Egan declined to comment Tuesday. Smith could not be reached.

But the source said Smith, a 12-year-veteran of the District Attorney's Office, is willing to stake her reputation -- and her job -- on the case. "She believes a crime has been committed, and she won't back down," the source said.

If the case goes to trial, a key issue is whether the conduct meets the legal definition of sexual battery. That could hinge on the question of whether Preston had threatened the boy.

The boy told police that Preston made a threatening gesture -- he inserted two fingers into a circle formed by his other hand -- indicating "he was going to place his fingers up his butt," the police report stated.

Preston has denied making the gesture, and Quade has said no one else saw him doing it. But the source said Smith recently found a witness -- another student -- who can corroborate the 14-year-old's account about the gesture.

Quade said the offer to conditionally dismiss the case came from Assistant District Attorney Lisa Gamoian and Rudy Carrillo, a chief deputy district attorney. Gamoian and Carrillo are Smith's supervisors. Smith was not present at the meeting, he said.

Quade said the offer was better than the one made several months ago, but declined to give details. Preston rejected the earlier offer, Quade said.

The case against Preston has drawn widespread attention because Preston and his parents contend their son, a senior, was using a legitimate wrestling move on the boy, a freshman at Buchanan High.

They said Clovis wrestling coaches taught Preston the move, known as a "butt drag," and that he used the move during practice in front of coaches, teammates and parents.

In general, the butt drag requires a wrestler to grab a rival's butt cheek to get leverage. Local coaches say anal penetration can occur accidentally, but should never be done on purpose. The move is widely used at matches around the country and has been around for decades, authorities say.

Ross Rice, father of the alleged victim, said Preston is a bully who targeted his son because the boy stood up to Preston during an earlier encounter.

Because of the incident, Rice said, Preston's friends continue to tease his son at school. The boy also didn't go out for the wrestling team, his father said.

Rice said Tuesday that Smith contacted him and told him that the trial might be delayed, but she didn't say anything about dropping the case.

"She's a fighter," Rice said. "She's not going to give up on my son."

burt · 12-09-2010, 08:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Rausch

The "brown finger."

Taught to all wrestlers but there's mostly a gentleman's agreement.

"You don't use it - I don't use it."

Now, you get a particularly dirty guy or a fish that just wants to stale mate and waste time...he might get the finger.

I used it twice...

I never heard of it, wouldn't have used it if I had. It is pathetic.

Bill Brasky · 12-09-2010, 08:57 AM

Gayest thing I've read in a while. They should be suing the coach.

**Dave Lane** · 12-09-2010, 09:06 AM

Bullshit that is not a wrestling move! That's absolute crap.

**Dave Lane** · 12-09-2010, 09:10 AM

I wrestled all through high school and I'd have slugged some guy if he'd tried to stick a finger in my ass. I hope the kid in the op gets 5 years in prison.

Norman Einstein · 12-09-2010, 09:13 AM

How many wrestlers leave their 'back door' open for such a move?

I insert a finger in the bung hole you need open access. The HS wrestling matches I've seen there are at least 2 layers of spandex covering the backside. If you can stick your finger IN the anus through the spandex I'd say the guy you are fighting has more of a problem than the way you throw him.

thecoffeeguy · 12-09-2010, 09:15 AM

**Rausch** · 12-09-2010, 09:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dave Lane

Bullshit that is not a wrestling move!

Yes, it is.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dave Lane

That's absolute crap.

Yes, it is...

**Iowanian** · 12-09-2010, 09:17 AM

I've never seen the move, never been taught the move. I started at age 5, I've assisted with youth wrestling, have officiated in the past and have worked at many tournaments, including this coming weekend. I've never seen it or heard of it, and I'm quite certain had it been tried on me, I'd have thrown punches, as would most of the guys on any of my teams.

Jenson71 · 12-09-2010, 09:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Norman Einstein

How many wrestlers leave their 'back door' open for such a move?

I insert a finger in the bung hole you need open access. The HS wrestling matches I've seen there are at least 2 layers of spandex covering the backside. If you can stick your finger IN the anus through the spandex I'd say the guy you are fighting has more of a problem than the way you throw him.

You're an idiot.

**Rausch** · 12-09-2010, 09:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Iowanian

I've never seen the move, never been taught the move. I started at age 5, I've assisted with youth wrestling, have officiated in the past and have worked at many tournaments, including this coming weekend. I've never seen it or heard of it, and I'm quite certain had it been tried on me, I'd have thrown punches, as would most of the guys on any of my teams.

This is not an uncommon response.

It's really only possible from the mount position and for the most part only done if:
1) You are a dirty wrestler.
2) The guy you're facing is a dirty wrestler and you want to emasculate him.
3) You're facing a guy who does nothing but stall, struggle, and make no offensive effort at all. Tends to be the guys stronger than you with little to no skill.

**gblowfish** · 12-09-2010, 09:27 AM

"The Butt Drag": Wrestling's version of "The Shocker."
Is Wrestling Gay?
Do Woodchucks Chuck Wood?

**Dave Lane** · 12-09-2010, 09:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rausch

Yes, it is.

Yes, it is...

No that was just Freddy trying to be friendly.

Borat: You telling me the man who try to put a rubber fist in my anus was a homosexual?

thecoffeeguy · 12-09-2010, 09:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gblowfish

"The Butt Drag": Wrestling's version of "The Shocker."
Is Wrestling Gay?
Do Woodchucks Chuck Wood?

Extra Point · 12-09-2010, 09:34 AM

Curtis' mom will getting consultancy fees, right?

"Fust thing you do, is copyright that boy's name. Then git yo' list of demands ready. And keep on that white DA bitch Smiff. Damn, all y'all honkeys got tight asses!"

**Rausch** · 12-09-2010, 09:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gblowfish

"The Butt Drag": Wrestling's version of "The Shocker."
Is Wrestling Gay?
Do Woodchucks Chuck Wood?

Yeah...

Not the type of wrestling we're talking about here...

12-08-2010, 08:28 PM
Jawshco Veteran Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Clovis, CA Casino cash: $10004925	Boy's Wrestling move= Sexual Assualt Charge I'm not sure what to think about this, but I'm just tired of sue happy parents trying to wussify our kids. Although, I admit this is kind of messed up. http://www.fresnobee.com/2010/12/07/...-wrestler.html DA offers wrestler deal in sexual battery case Posted at 11:32 PM on Tuesday, Dec. 07, 2010 By Pablo Lopez / The Fresno Bee Share133 Was Clovis wrestler's legal move an illegal act? In a crowded gym during practice in front of parents and coaches, the Buchanan High School wrestler tackled a teammate and executed a move his coaches taught him. He inserted his fingers between the boy's buttocks. It's called the "butt drag," in which a wrestler grabs a rival's butt cheek and puts fingers in the anus to get leverage. The move is widely used at matches around the country and has been around for decades. Prosecutors have offered a deal to a California teen wrestler charged with sexual battery for ramming his fingers into the rectum of his high school opponent during a practice match. The 17-year-old Clovis youth, who has been expelled by the school, faces trial in Fresno on Thursday. Clovis police say the July penetration incident led to the charge, but defense lawyer Stephen Quade says the teenager used a legitimate wrestling move called the "butt drag." I suppose it's too late for apologies and rational discussion in the case of the wrestling move that Clovis police and the Fresno County District Attorney's Office say was sexual battery. We're not much for letting principals, parents, coaches and young people work things out for the benefit of all parties these days. Instead, we're quick to call the cops or the lawyers or the media and move school disputes into the public arena -- where opinions form hard and fast and students may lose their privacy. If you missed the story, here's the summary. A former Buchanan High School wrestler is headed to a juvenile court trial Thursday on allegations that he committed a misdemeanor on a younger teammate by performing a "butt drag" during a practice session last summer. The pending trial of a former Buchanan High wrestler charged with a sex crime has many in the community alarmed about the sport's already fragile future. "This isn't good," Sunnyside High coach David Wheeler said Monday. "California has lost college wrestling programs at Fresno State and UC Davis. We don't need any bad attention to the sport if we want to keep it going." Preston Hill, the former Buchanan senior who has since been expelled, faces a sexual battery charge after police say he rammed two fingers into a teammate's anus during a wrestling practice last summer. The trial begins Thursday in Fresno County Superior Court. The Fresno County District Attorney's Office is having second thoughts about prosecuting a Buchanan High School wrestler for sexual battery. Preston Hill, 17, is due to go on trial Thursday. Clovis police and the alleged victim said Preston rammed two fingers into the teammate's anus during wrestling practice in July. Preston's attorney says he used a legitimate wrestling move called the "butt drag." Amid a public uproar over the case that began after The Bee reported it on Sunday, prosecutors met with Preston's attorney on Tuesday to offer a deal: The case would be dismissed if Preston -- who has been expelled from Buchanan -- stayed out of trouble for several months. Unlike most such deals, it would not require Preston to admit guilt. But Stephen Quade, who represents Preston, said his client will likely reject the offer because he didn't do anything wrong. JOHN WALKER / THE FRESNO BEE The Fresno County District Attorney's Office has offered to dismiss a sexual battery charge against Preston Hill, 17 (pictured with his mother, Kirsten Hill). The Buchanan High School student was charged in connection with a wrestling move called a "butt drag" during a team practice. Fresno court case alarms wrestling community Wrestling dispute begs for sense Quade said he is prepared to go to trial. Complicating the case is an apparent disagreement within the District Attorney's Office about how to proceed. A person with detailed knowledge of the case, speaking on condition of anonymity, said prosecutor Elana Smith is resisting instructions from her boss, District Attorney Elizabeth Egan, to drop the case. Egan declined to comment Tuesday. Smith could not be reached. But the source said Smith, a 12-year-veteran of the District Attorney's Office, is willing to stake her reputation -- and her job -- on the case. "She believes a crime has been committed, and she won't back down," the source said. If the case goes to trial, a key issue is whether the conduct meets the legal definition of sexual battery. That could hinge on the question of whether Preston had threatened the boy. The boy told police that Preston made a threatening gesture -- he inserted two fingers into a circle formed by his other hand -- indicating "he was going to place his fingers up his butt," the police report stated. Preston has denied making the gesture, and Quade has said no one else saw him doing it. But the source said Smith recently found a witness -- another student -- who can corroborate the 14-year-old's account about the gesture. Quade said the offer to conditionally dismiss the case came from Assistant District Attorney Lisa Gamoian and Rudy Carrillo, a chief deputy district attorney. Gamoian and Carrillo are Smith's supervisors. Smith was not present at the meeting, he said. Quade said the offer was better than the one made several months ago, but declined to give details. Preston rejected the earlier offer, Quade said. The case against Preston has drawn widespread attention because Preston and his parents contend their son, a senior, was using a legitimate wrestling move on the boy, a freshman at Buchanan High. They said Clovis wrestling coaches taught Preston the move, known as a "butt drag," and that he used the move during practice in front of coaches, teammates and parents. In general, the butt drag requires a wrestler to grab a rival's butt cheek to get leverage. Local coaches say anal penetration can occur accidentally, but should never be done on purpose. The move is widely used at matches around the country and has been around for decades, authorities say. Ross Rice, father of the alleged victim, said Preston is a bully who targeted his son because the boy stood up to Preston during an earlier encounter. Because of the incident, Rice said, Preston's friends continue to tease his son at school. The boy also didn't go out for the wrestling team, his father said. Rice said Tuesday that Smith contacted him and told him that the trial might be delayed, but she didn't say anything about dropping the case. "She's a fighter," Rice said. "She's not going to give up on my son." Last edited by Jawshco; 12-08-2010 at 08:34 PM..
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12-09-2010, 08:57 AM	#77
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