Chiefs Jovan Belcher, a gem found in the rough ? - Page 6

royr17 · 02-10-2011, 05:18 PM

http://www.rotoworld.com/teams/nfl/kc/?r=1

ESPN.com's Bill Williamson and Scouts Inc.'s Matt Williamson believe the Chiefs have found a "gem" in ILB Jovan Belcher.

Belcher was primarily a special teamer as an undrafted rookie in 2009. He graduated to full-time starter in 2010, racking up 84 tackles. "He's a heavier guy who is a good banger in the 3-4 defense," Matt Williamson said. "He seems like a hard-nosed guy who has made the best of opportunity." Expect Belcher to remain in the same role next season.

HotRoute · 02-11-2011, 01:45 AM

Casey mathews to replace vrable ....... FTW

**DaneMcCloud** · 02-11-2011, 01:47 AM

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Originally Posted by HotRoute

Casey mathews to replace ....... FTW

Maybe.

But with guys like AJ Hawk and/or Nick Barnett (among others) that will be available this offseason, I think the Chiefs can do better.

HotRoute · 02-11-2011, 02:05 AM

Screw that free agency is null and void until the new CBA gets signed..... Which doesn't look very possible . Until then draft draft draft!!!

milkman · 02-11-2011, 06:30 AM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Maybe.

But with guys like AJ Hawk and/or Nick Barnett (among others) that will be available this offseason, I think the Chiefs can do better.

I'd rather spend money on positions of greater need.

Belcher was a significantly improved player in '10.

There's no reason to believe that he won't continue to improve, and a NT added to the front will help him and DJ.

beach tribe · 02-11-2011, 06:53 AM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

If the Chiefs can find a replacement for Belcher in the draft or free agency, he'll be replaced.

He's not the "Thumper" that Crennel envisions for his defense.

Niether is DJ, but he ain't goin nowhere.

Wilson8 · 02-11-2011, 07:17 AM

The Chiefs have another ILB that I want to see how he does this year. Last year he was slowed by knee problems but he could be a run stopping difference maker in the middle.

Pro Day results -
Jovon Belcher height 6013, weight 243, 40 yd time 4.88, 20 yd 2.89, 10 yd 1.64, bench press 19 times, vertical 9.00, 20 yd shuttle 4.25, 3 cone drill 7.07 03/26/2009

Micah Johnson height 6014, weight 258, 40 yd time 4.84 20 yd 2.80, 10 yd 1.68, bench press 31, vertical 8.11, 20 yd shuttle 4.26, 3 cone drill 7.34 03/10/2010

As others have pointed out, having a big NT in the middle could certainly help our ILB play. I’d like to see the Chiefs sign a free agent and draft one on the second day of the draft.

TheGuardian · 02-11-2011, 07:28 AM

nevermind

TheGuardian · 02-11-2011, 07:31 AM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

First off, everyone has him listed at 228. There's NO ****ING WAY you're going to convince me that guy played at 250 this past season. You can tell just by looking at the pictures.

Secondly, Crennel prefers a 250 pound, stout "Thumper" like Teddy Bruschi (who was 6'1 and played at 248-252), a guy that can take on blockers and running backs while shedding blocks from guards. Not a 6'2, 228 pound guy who isn't particularly good at either.

You need to lay off the pipe if you think the Chiefs would pass on an opportunity to upgrade that position.

OMG

If you think that Bruschi was 250 pounds I got some ocean front property in Arizona to sell you.

TheGuardian · 02-11-2011, 07:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Wilson8

The Chiefs have another ILB that I want to see how he does this year. Last year he was slowed by knee problems but he could be a run stopping difference maker in the middle.

Pro Day results -
Jovon Belcher height 6013, weight 243, 40 yd time 4.88, 20 yd 2.89, 10 yd 1.64, bench press 19 times, vertical 9.00, 20 yd shuttle 4.25, 3 cone drill 7.07 03/26/2009

Micah Johnson height 6014, weight 258, 40 yd time 4.84 20 yd 2.80, 10 yd 1.68, bench press 31, vertical 8.11, 20 yd shuttle 4.26, 3 cone drill 7.34 03/10/2010

As others have pointed out, having a big NT in the middle could certainly help our ILB play. I’d like to see the Chiefs sign a free agent and draft one on the second day of the draft.

Oh wow so Jovan actually WEIGHED IN AT 243 FOR HIS PRO DAY!

Wow good job Hamas, Talking Dipshit, and Dane. As ****ing usual, you bitches argue left and right with people then get made to look ****ing stupid.

I said he was 242 last year going into camp. That's what he told me. He said when the season was over he was around 230ish. He said this year he was 252, and he LOOKED 252 if you know what the **** you are looking at (and Hamas obviously doesn't because he's an idiot). So he probably played most of the season around 240ish.

That's plenty big for an inside backer in this defense.

I'm still LMFAO at Dane thinking Bruschi was 250.

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2...020129mediaday

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10:48 -- My buddy Geoff, who had a star-crossed, injury-plagued career at Hamilton College -- he was the Fred Taylor of Division III -- had one request for me: Stand next to (Pats middle linebacker) Tedy Bruschi and find out how big he is. Geoff was convinced he was bigger than Bruschi during that one season at Hamilton when he was lifting for six hours a day and we were all worried about him. He's obsessed with this for some reason.

Well, Geoff was right. ... Bruschi can't weigh more than 220 pounds soaking wet. There's just no way. Could somebody buy him some biceps on eBay please?

TheGuardian · 02-11-2011, 07:39 AM

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Originally Posted by milkman

I'd rather spend money on positions of greater need.

Belcher was a significantly improved player in '10.

There's no reason to believe that he won't continue to improve, and a NT added to the front will help him and DJ.

Exactly. WE're going to draft a guy to replace a 2nd year player?

Jethopper · 02-11-2011, 08:26 AM

Wow, this ownage is becoming legendary

Mr_Tomahawk · 02-11-2011, 09:18 AM

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Originally Posted by HotRoute

Casey mathews to replace ....... FTW

While I like the kid, he is better suited for a 4-3 scheme. There are better prospects out there who would fit our scheme...

DJ's left nut · 02-11-2011, 10:23 AM

No way would I give up on Belcher yet. He's come way too far in a short two seasons for me to believe he can't take one more step in his 3rd season (usually a young player's biggest step forward comes in the third year).

More critically, Belcher has the perfect attitude for an ILB. He's aggressive, he's fearless and he genuinely seems to enjoy doing to grunt work underneath.

If he had a legitimate NT that could keep him from having to fight off Guards on every single running play, he'd hold up even better. It wasn't that he never fought off blockers, it was that he was asked to do so virtually every play and eventually it wore him out. If you get a real NT in there to cut the number of times he has to go head up against a guard in half, I'd suggest that he'd be far more effective at shedding blockers when he's asked to do so.

He's athletic, he's quite strong for his size, he plays with passion and he plays with very good leverage (something that some guys never learn). He's a ballplayer. And yeah, would we be better if we had someone better than him to force him to special teams? Sure, but the Ravens would be better if they could clone Ray Nitschke and push Ray Lewis to lead gunner as well. That's a meaningless statement.

We have finite resources in terms of draft picks, cap space and outright cash that Clark may be willing to spend on signing bonuses. Putting those resources into a position that already has a young player that could very well be capable of playing it at a high level is shortsighted and impatient. Give him this season - if he hasn't improved, make a move. It's not like we don't have pressing needs at OLB, NT, WR, RT, C, G, and RB2. We can dedicate our offseason to filling those holes and still likely exhaust our available resources before they're all covered.

Give Belcher another season, ideally behind a real NT, and I think this conversation will be seen as very very silly the following year.

**DaneMcCloud** · 02-11-2011, 10:33 AM

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Originally Posted by milkman

I'd rather spend money on positions of greater need.

Belcher was a significantly improved player in '10.

There's no reason to believe that he won't continue to improve, and a NT added to the front will help him and DJ.

Obviously, there are greater positions of need. But as we're all aware, not every position can be addressed each year and the Chiefs had a weak interior on both sides of the ball this past season.

As I stated earlier, if the Chiefs can upgrade at ILB (or any position), they should absolutely do it. I'm not a hater of Belcher by any means, but I do think the Chiefs would benefit from having a quicker and more instinctive player at that position.

**DaneMcCloud** · 02-11-2011, 10:35 AM

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Originally Posted by beach tribe

Niether is DJ, but he ain't goin nowhere.

DJ and Belcher aren't even closely related in terms of talent, quickness or instinct.

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royr17 MVP Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Lovin my kids Casino cash: $-1641324	Jovan Belcher, a gem found in the rough ? http://www.rotoworld.com/teams/nfl/kc/?r=1 ESPN.com's Bill Williamson and Scouts Inc.'s Matt Williamson believe the Chiefs have found a "gem" in ILB Jovan Belcher. Belcher was primarily a special teamer as an undrafted rookie in 2009. He graduated to full-time starter in 2010, racking up 84 tackles. "He's a heavier guy who is a good banger in the 3-4 defense," Matt Williamson said. "He seems like a hard-nosed guy who has made the best of opportunity." Expect Belcher to remain in the same role next season.
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Wilson8 Veteran Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Kansas City Casino cash: $2827557	The Chiefs have another ILB that I want to see how he does this year. Last year he was slowed by knee problems but he could be a run stopping difference maker in the middle. Pro Day results - Jovon Belcher height 6013, weight 243, 40 yd time 4.88, 20 yd 2.89, 10 yd 1.64, bench press 19 times, vertical 9.00, 20 yd shuttle 4.25, 3 cone drill 7.07 03/26/2009 Micah Johnson height 6014, weight 258, 40 yd time 4.84 20 yd 2.80, 10 yd 1.68, bench press 31, vertical 8.11, 20 yd shuttle 4.26, 3 cone drill 7.34 03/10/2010 As others have pointed out, having a big NT in the middle could certainly help our ILB play. I’d like to see the Chiefs sign a free agent and draft one on the second day of the draft.
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DJ's left nut Sauntering Vaguely Downwards Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Columbia, Mo Casino cash: $-840901	No way would I give up on Belcher yet. He's come way too far in a short two seasons for me to believe he can't take one more step in his 3rd season (usually a young player's biggest step forward comes in the third year). More critically, Belcher has the perfect attitude for an ILB. He's aggressive, he's fearless and he genuinely seems to enjoy doing to grunt work underneath. If he had a legitimate NT that could keep him from having to fight off Guards on every single running play, he'd hold up even better. It wasn't that he never fought off blockers, it was that he was asked to do so virtually every play and eventually it wore him out. If you get a real NT in there to cut the number of times he has to go head up against a guard in half, I'd suggest that he'd be far more effective at shedding blockers when he's asked to do so. He's athletic, he's quite strong for his size, he plays with passion and he plays with very good leverage (something that some guys never learn). He's a ballplayer. And yeah, would we be better if we had someone better than him to force him to special teams? Sure, but the Ravens would be better if they could clone Ray Nitschke and push Ray Lewis to lead gunner as well. That's a meaningless statement. We have finite resources in terms of draft picks, cap space and outright cash that Clark may be willing to spend on signing bonuses. Putting those resources into a position that already has a young player that could very well be capable of playing it at a high level is shortsighted and impatient. Give him this season - if he hasn't improved, make a move. It's not like we don't have pressing needs at OLB, NT, WR, RT, C, G, and RB2. We can dedicate our offseason to filling those holes and still likely exhaust our available resources before they're all covered. Give Belcher another season, ideally behind a real NT, and I think this conversation will be seen as very very silly the following year. __________________ "If there's a god, he's laughing at us.....and our football team..." "When you look at something through rose colored glasses, all the red flags just look like flags."
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