Chiefs Ok , I'm gonna say it. Vince Young - Page 6

**BossChief** · 07-25-2011, 03:43 PM

To me, it always seemed that Vince would get things rolling and ger pulled by Fisher....the team would crumble and go on a huge losing streak and the wonder stepped in and made Vince the starter and they went on a win streak.

I think the owner drafted him to sell tickets and fill a role and ended up displaying his talents on the field for the titans and that Fisher always wanted to try and make him into another Kerry Collins pocket passer when that's not who he was.

I strongly believe that if VY gets paired with a coach that runs an offense that fits Youngs strengths (mobility, elusiveness, good instincts, decent work ethic) the team will win some games.

He will probably never be a traditional passer, or win a superbowl as a teams starting
quarterback...but who knows?

His win loss ratio is sick, his numbers last year as a passer were respectable and he has shown improvement as a player...but he needs to show the ability to be solid mentally if he is to lock down a starting quarterbacks job in the NFL.

Backwards Masking · 07-25-2011, 06:11 PM

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Originally Posted by BossChief

His win loss ratio is sick, his numbers last year as a passer were respectable and he has shown improvement as a player...but he needs to show the ability to be solid mentally if he is to lock down a starting quarterbacks job in the NFL.

It's hard to be strong mentally when your coach doesn't believe you to the extent that you put up #'s and win games and get yanked reguarly anyway. I used to work with a black guy who took Vinces side for years and we had this argument somewhat regularly. After last year I'm inclined to side with him. Young was always #2 to Collins in Fishers book even if he walked on water.

Someone mentioned Young not being mentally strong enough for Haley. One could say Vince isn't enough of a Yes Man for Haley and it would mean practically the same thing. Haley wants someone to follow orders, that's why Cassel's never going anywhere. With that said, I agree that Haley and Young could never coexist, and there's no point in bringing him in for a look.

Just Passin' By · 07-25-2011, 06:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Backwards Masking

Someone mentioned Young not being mentally strong enough for Haley. One could say Vince isn't enough of a Yes Man for Haley and it would mean practically the same thing. Haley wants someone to follow orders, that's why Cassel's never going anywhere. With that said, I agree that Haley and Young could never coexist, and there's no point in bringing him in for a look.

No, it wouldn't be the same thing at all.

**notorious** · 07-25-2011, 06:32 PM

I was expecting a Truefan onslaught, but I didn't expect this.

There is a reason I didn't expect this: It's pretty ****ing stupid.

Backwards Masking · 07-25-2011, 07:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Just Passin' By

No, it wouldn't be the same thing at all.

In a certain context it could. I never said it would, 'could' was the exact word I used.

If one's definition for being mentally tough enough to be QB under Haley is to run every play he says, every time, even if his instincts tell him Haley is wrong, and then taking the heat for both his own mistakes AND coaches, that qualifies as "mentally tough" to me. It certainly wouldn't be relaxing.

Brock · 07-25-2011, 06:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Backwards Masking

It's hard to be strong mentally when your coach doesn't believe you to the extent that you put up #'s and win games and get yanked reguarly anyway. I used to work with a black guy who took Vinces side for years and we had this argument somewhat regularly. After last year I'm inclined to side with him. Young was always #2 to Collins in Fishers book even if he walked on water.

Someone mentioned Young not being mentally strong enough for Haley. One could say Vince isn't enough of a Yes Man for Haley and it would mean practically the same thing. Haley wants someone to follow orders, that's why Cassel's never going anywhere. With that said, I agree that Haley and Young could never coexist, and there's no point in bringing him in for a look.

Beyond stupid.

**Easy 6** · 07-25-2011, 06:38 PM

Any QB that isnt a 'yes man' for his coach needs to go sell insurance.

Backwards Masking · 07-25-2011, 07:22 PM

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Originally Posted by scott free

Any QB that isnt a 'yes man' for his coach needs to go sell insurance.

Not when the coach is calling stupid plays and making bad decisions. Every Hall of Fame QB that's every played has every questioned his coaching staff from time to time, some fairly often. Except maybe Staubach, ha

Backwards Masking · 07-25-2011, 07:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Brock

Beyond stupid.

You think we should bring him in for a look then? I really don't think him and Haley would get along.

**Bwana** · 07-25-2011, 05:10 PM

Oh hell no!

Bump · 07-25-2011, 05:16 PM

no thanks, he doesn't want to be a backup, but he might be better than Cassel. Well, yes, he would be an upgrade from Cassel.

**BigMeatballDave** · 07-25-2011, 05:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Bump

no thanks, he doesn't want to be a backup, but he might be better than Cassel. Well, yes, he would be an upgrade from Cassel.

No ****ing way. He's a headcase.

|Zach| · 07-25-2011, 05:35 PM

He is not mentally strong enough for Haley.

Not even close.

Pasta Little Brioni · 07-25-2011, 05:40 PM

No to black Uncle Rico

FloridaMan88 · 07-25-2011, 05:45 PM

Vince Young? Why not go ahead and sign Kordell Stewart?

07-25-2011, 03:43 PM	#1
BossChief SuperBowl or bust Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: BF Iowa Casino cash: $-1775912	To me, it always seemed that Vince would get things rolling and ger pulled by Fisher....the team would crumble and go on a huge losing streak and the wonder stepped in and made Vince the starter and they went on a win streak. I think the owner drafted him to sell tickets and fill a role and ended up displaying his talents on the field for the titans and that Fisher always wanted to try and make him into another Kerry Collins pocket passer when that's not who he was. I strongly believe that if VY gets paired with a coach that runs an offense that fits Youngs strengths (mobility, elusiveness, good instincts, decent work ethic) the team will win some games. He will probably never be a traditional passer, or win a superbowl as a teams starting quarterback...but who knows? His win loss ratio is sick, his numbers last year as a passer were respectable and he has shown improvement as a player...but he needs to show the ability to be solid mentally if he is to lock down a starting quarterbacks job in the NFL. __________________ Dreams do come true... http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showp...postcount=1407
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\|Zach\| For The Glory Of The City Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Kansas City Casino cash: $3006768	He is not mentally strong enough for Haley. Not even close.
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