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Old 12-19-2011, 10:54 AM  
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The playcalling difference...
The difference in playcalling yesterday compared to the entire season if not the last 3 seasons was just ****ing mind bottling! Not 1,2,3, but 4 screens in one game? TE's being hit over the middle for more than 3 yards? No Dex up the middle for -2?

Ok, so, was this really because of Orton who had practiced really all of one week? Or was this because Haley was not there to chain down Muir on the playcalling?

Don't get me wrong, I am not here to sell Muir as a good OC. But JFC...we were a totally different team all the way around? How does this happen in less than a week? How does a team that couldn't get a first down to save their life suddenly go to punting onl twice the entire game with 0 turnovers and 0 sacks?

Obviously Orton brings a lot to that situation but it was the non-passing plays that stuck out the most. Particularly the lack of running Mighty Mouse 1.5 up the middle constantly for not.

I think Haley was a damper on this offense. When Muir and Zorn can take the same roster of backups and retirees with a QB that has been practing for all of a few days and turnout the performance we saw against The Pack then yu have to say that either Orton was football God's gift to the Chiefs or Muir and Zorn were finally able to call an offense that would actually produce.
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Old 12-19-2011, 01:49 PM   #76
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Stop harping about 1 screen pass. You've written about it 100x already in the last 24 hours. We get it. That 1 pass doesn't necessarily mean that the playcalling was the even remotely similar.
Playcalling when it works > playcalling when it doesn't work. Dumb it down enough for you?
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Old 12-19-2011, 01:52 PM   #77
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I haven't watched the game yet since it wasn't carried here and I was out of town. It all just seems so mind bottling though.
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Old 12-19-2011, 01:57 PM   #78
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Playcalling when it works > playcalling when it doesn't work. Dumb it down enough for you?
How many passes have been thrown to Becht all year? McClain, Becht and Cooper all had season high receptions yesterday. Otron was a big difference, but the playcalling spread the ball around more than it has all year. There weren't that many big shots downfield.
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Old 12-19-2011, 01:59 PM   #79
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How many passes have been thrown to Becht all year? McClain, Becht and Cooper all had season high receptions yesterday. Otron was a big difference, but the playcalling spread the ball around more than it has all year. There weren't that many big shots downfield.
The only way the playcalling spreads the ball around is if he's hitting the #1 read EVERY time.

Even the announcers on TV recognized that ORTON was spreading the ball around.
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Old 12-19-2011, 02:00 PM   #80
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Of course not...he would have started Palko.

What does that have to do with anything?

Highly doubtful that he would have started Palko. Crenell would have lost this game starting Cassel or Palko. Haley would have lost the game starting Orton.

Why does it matter? Because certain Cassel haters are incapable of understanding the level of suckage that was this season, want to pin yesterday's win entirely on the change a QB, and overlook the importance of having a game plan, a scheme, and decent play calling.

edit: Fact is that there has been a sufficient amount of Suck at 1 Arrowhead Dr to justify cutting Cassel, firing Haley AND firing Pioli.
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I haven't watched the game yet since it wasn't carried here and I was out of town. It all just seems so mind bottling though.
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Old 12-19-2011, 02:01 PM   #82
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Highly doubtful that he would have started Palko. Crenell would have lost this game starting Cassel or Palko. Haley would have lost the game starting Orton.

Why does it matter? Because certain Cassel haters are incapable of understanding the level of suckage that was this season, want to pin yesterday's win entirely on the change a QB, and overlook the importance of having a game plan, a scheme, and decent play calling.
The game plan, for the past 2.5 years, has been built around Matt Cassel.

There is absolutely no way you can look at this game objectively and not understand that the change at QB makes EVERYTHING else possible.
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Old 12-19-2011, 02:03 PM   #83
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The game plan, for the past 2.5 years, has been built around Matt Cassel.

There is absolutely no way you can look at this game objectively and not understand that the change at QB makes EVERYTHING else possible.
It seems we've come to a chicken or the egg style debate here...

Could we not say that the QB and the play calling are co-evolutionary forces, each playing off one another, the confluence of the two resulting in the postive outcome we're debating today?
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Old 12-19-2011, 02:04 PM   #84
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It seems we've come to a chicken or the egg style debate here...

Could we not say that the QB and the play calling are co-evolutionary forces, each playing off one another, the confluence of the two resulting in the postive outcome we're debating today?
Why did you wait until post #83 to say that?


That is exactly right.
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Old 12-19-2011, 02:05 PM   #85
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And I don't think we have ran dick for screens. I know we have tried a few here and there but nothing like we saw yesterday.
You don't remember the screen we ran to lose the game against San Diego? The one where Cassel threw it to the guy on the other team? That's why we didn't run more screens. Because Cassel is inept.
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Why did you wait until post #83 to say that?


That is exactly right.
I had to break for lunch.
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It seems we've come to a chicken or the egg style debate here...

Could we not say that the QB and the play calling are co-evolutionary forces, each playing off one another, the confluence of the two resulting in the postive outcome we're debating today?
Maybe. But the difference is not play calling. Its EXECUTION of the play calling. Every play that "works" is by definition a good play call. If you have Cassel and he can't execute the play that is called then this is the weak link.
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It seems we've come to a chicken or the egg style debate here...

Could we not say that the QB and the play calling are co-evolutionary forces, each playing off one another, the confluence of the two resulting in the postive outcome we're debating today?
Good point.
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How many passes have been thrown to Becht all year? McClain, Becht and Cooper all had season high receptions yesterday. Otron was a big difference, but the playcalling spread the ball around more than it has all year. There weren't that many big shots downfield.
That has less to do with playcalling than with Orton actually progressing through reads. Cassel wouldn't spread the ball around because he'd look to his first receiver and if he was covered he'd shit his pants.
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Maybe. But the difference is not play calling. Its EXECUTION of the play calling. Every play that "works" is by definition a good play call. If you have Cassel and he can't execute the play that is called then this is the weak link.

So you're saying the offense wasn't a wee bit different yesterday? Running reverses, multiple screens, McClain up the gut, McDuster to the outside? To say that there wasn't at least some tiny change in philosophy is obtuse...

Both QB & play calling were altered yeasterday when comapred with what we've seen this year...

co-evolutionary forces Dave...
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