Bob Sutton sucks, say Jets fans

[Hammock Parties]

http://www.ganggreennation.com/2013/...he-kansas-city

Goodness gracious, what an awful decision that would be for the Chiefs.

You probably remember Sutton's run as Jets defensive coordinator under Eric Mangini from 2006 to 2008. The Jets never had a defense ranked higher than 16th. The scheme was unimaginative.

Sutton didn't blitz much, and when he did, it was terribly designed. This all led to a demotion when Rex Ryan came aboard.

As you all know, playing with largely the same personnel and without the best player Sutton had, Kris Jenkins, for most of the year the Jets had the number one defense in the league the year after Sutton left the defensive coordinator post.

With all of the good coaches the Jets have on defense, Andy Reid is going to hire the one bad coach.

[milkman]

Originally Posted by Mr. Laz

I don't think Reid is a quick fired type guy.

Coaches will have to suck for several years before any firings happen.


inability to adjust doesn't bode well for Sutton though

Have we developed a quality corner under Emmit Thomas?

I believe Thomas inherited Flowers and Carr.

Carr developed under Thomas' tutelage, and looked to be on his way to surpassing Flowers.

He has regressed since becoming a Cowboy.

[Mr. Laz]

Originally Posted by milkman

Carr developed under Thomas' tutelage, and looked to be on his way to surpassing Flowers.

He has regressed since becoming a Cowboy.

Carr had been a Chief for 2 years when Thomas started coaching for the Chiefs.

Drafte/1st year under Herman Edwards in 2008
Todd Haley/Romeo Crennel in 2009
Romeo Crennel/Emmit Thomas in 2010 and 2011
Dallas in 2012

i think this is how it went anyway

(2010–2012) Javier Arenas?

[BandwagonChiefsFan]

I miss Herm Edwards ability to draft players

[milkman]

Originally Posted by Mr. Laz

Carr had been a Chief for 2 years when Thomas started coaching for the Chiefs.

Drafte/1st year under Herman Edwards in 2008
Todd Haley/Romeo Crennel in 2009
Romeo Crennel/Emmit Thomas in 2010 and 2011
Dallas in 2012

i think this is how it went anyway

(2010–2012) Javier Arenas?

How many times during his first 2 years did we see people calling for Carr to be cut and calling him garbage?

In his next 2 years, those posts virtually vanished.

Coincidence?

[Mr. Laz]

Originally Posted by milkman

How many times during his first 2 years did we see people calling for Carr to be cut and calling him garbage.

In his next 2 years, those posts virtually vanished.

Coincidence?

I know you like Emmit Thomas.

Ok, so for argument sake give him Carr.

Who else?

[milkman]

Originally Posted by Mr. Laz

I know you like Emmit Thomas.

Ok, so for argument sake give him Carr.

Who else?

Has he really had anyone else to work with?

[saphojunkie]

I would absolutely love it if Herm Edwards came back to the Chiefs in some role in college scouting. I think the guy has a spectacular eye for defensive talent, and frankly that's where most of our draft picks should go.

And frankly he drafted Bowe and Charles, too. I despised him as an in-game coach, but dammit if he didn't find great players.

[milkman]

Originally Posted by saphojunkie

I would absolutely love it if Herm Edwards came back to the Chiefs in some role in college scouting. I think the guy has a spectacular eye for defensive talent, and frankly that's where most of our draft picks should go.

And frankly he drafted Bowe and Charles, too. I despised him as an in-game coach, but dammit if he didn't find great players.

Bill Kuharich

[Mr. Laz]

Originally Posted by saphojunkie

I would absolutely love it if Herm Edwards came back to the Chiefs in some role in college scouting. I think the guy has a spectacular eye for defensive talent, and frankly that's where most of our draft picks should go.

And frankly he drafted Bowe and Charles, too. I despised him as an in-game coach, but dammit if he didn't find great players.

having him as our secondary coach would be awesome

but he's making big bucks now on t.v. so he's not coming back to coaching until he doesn't have a choice

[Just Passin' By]

Originally Posted by BossChief

The players have regressed under his coaching.

The Chiefs went from a read and react type of style with a 2-gap foundation to a blitzkrieg approach with a lot of 1-gap play. That took time for teams to adjust to, and the early opponents weren't very good. Only one of the Chiefs' first 9 teams will end up in the playoffs, and that team won't have more than 10 wins, max. Denver exposed the Chiefs defense a bit, and an attacking style like Sutton's is weak if it can't get to the QB. Sutton was never going to be a cure-all.

[Fritz88]

Originally Posted by BossChief

The players have regressed under his coaching.

When your defense is legendary the first 9 games then you'll get benefit of the doubt.
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[Mr. Laz]

Originally Posted by Fritz88

When your defense is legendary the first 9 games then you'll get benefit of the doubt.
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so if your defense is legendarily bad the next 8 games do you lose the benefit of the doubt?

[Fritz88]

Originally Posted by Mr. Laz

so if your defense is legendarily bad the next 8 games do you lose the benefit of the doubt?

Most likely not.
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[jspchief]

Originally Posted by Mr. Laz

so if your defense is legendarily bad the next 8 games do you lose the benefit of the doubt?

Maybe with the fans.

He bought himself 2 more years with the organization. Bank on it.

[Lex Luthor]

Originally Posted by mcaj22

4 year "rebuild" under Pioli post Herm back to a year 1 rebuild excuse for Andy Reid

so 8 year rebuild plan total. So by year 4 of Andy Reid we can expect Super Bowl! yay!

(1) Andy Reid took over a 2-14 team. This is his first year with the team, and they are in the playoffs. What the **** do you expect?

(2) Writing a coherent sentence isn't really one of you strong points, is it?