2014 NFL Combine - Players - The TEs - Page 6

Saccopoo · 10:38 PM

Tight Ends:

Jace Amaro, Texas Tech
6'5", 265 lb., 34" arms, 9" hands
Bench: 28

Rob Blanchflower, Massachusetts
6'4", 256 lb., 33 3/4" arms, 9 5/8" hands
Bench: DNP

Trey Burton, Florida
6'2", 224 lb., 31" arms, 9 3/8" hands
Bench: DNP

A.D. Denham, Utah
6'4", 235 lb., 33 3/8" arms, 10 1/2" hands
Bench:

Joe Don Duncan, Dixie State
6'3", 268 lb., 32 3/8" arms, 10 1/8" hands
Bench: 35

Eric Ebron, North Carolina
6'4 1/4", 250 lb., 33 1/4" arms, 10" hands
Bench: 24

C.J. Fedorowicz, Iowa
6'5", 265 lb., 33" arms, 10 1/4" hands
Bench: 25

Crockett Gillmore, Colorado State
6'6", 260 lb., 33 3/4" arms, 10 3/8" hands
Bench: DNP

Xavier Grimble, USC
6'4", 257 lb., 33 5/8" arms, 10 1/4" hands
Bench: DNP

Nic Jacobs, McNeese State
6'5", 269 lb., 34 1/8" arms, 10" hands
Bench: 15

Marcel Jensen, Fresno State
6'6", 259 lb., 34 7/8" arms, 9 7/8" hands
Bench: 24

Reggie Jordan, Missouri Western State
6'3", 240 lb., 32 1/4" arms, 9 5/8" hands
Bench: 24

A.C. Leonard, Tennessee State
6'2", 252 lb., 33" arms, 9 1/4" hands
Bench: 20

Colt Lyerla, Oregon
6'4", 242 lb., 32 3/4" arms, 10 1/4" hands
Bench: 15

Arthur Lynch, Georgia
6'5", 258 lb., 32 1/2" arms, 10 1/8" hands
Bench: 28

Jake Murphy, Utah
6'4", 249 lb., 31 3/4" arms, 10" hands
Bench: 24

Jordan Najvar, Baylor
6'6", 256 lb., 32 1/4" arms, 10" hands
Bench: 18

Troy Niklas, Notre Dame
6'6 1/2", 270 lb., 34 1/8" arms, 10" hands
Bench: 27

Jake Pedersen, Wisconsin
6'3", 239 lb., 31 3/4" arms, 9" hands
Bench: DNP

Richard Rodgers, California
6'4", 257 lb., 32 5/8" arms, 10 1/8" hands
Bench: 16

Austin Seferian-Jenkins, Washington
6'5 1/2", 262 lb., 33 3/4" arms, 9 3/4" hands
Bench: 20

D.J. Tialavea, Utah State
6'3", 267 lb., 33 5/8" arms, 9 1/4" hands
Bench: DNP

2013 Highest TE Draft Pick & Combine Results:

Tyler Eifert, Notre Dame
6'5", 250 lb., 33 1/8" arms, 9 1/8" hands
Bench: 22
40: 4.68 seconds
Vertical: 35.5"
Broad Jump: 119.0"
3 Cone: 6.92
20 yard shuttle: 4.32 seconds
60 yard shuttle: 11.52 seconds

ForeverChiefs58 · 02-26-2014, 11:30 AM

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Originally Posted by saphojunkie

He'll fit right in... posting in DC.

Can see him as a Raider

Exoter175 · 02-26-2014, 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

Clark was the most productive, but he wasn't the best PROSPECT. Clark wasn't a prototypical TE and he went to a team that new exactly how to use him.

Moeaki's health problems just can't be overlooked. For that reason, I put CJ above him as well.

I didn't say Clark was the best prospect, just the most productive in the NFL. I elluded to the point that Moeaki was much better talent-wise but not durable, and that Reisner and Myers were quite a few steps behind in talent, with Reisner being the surprise non-producer, for me at least.

There's no telling what CJ will do until we find out where he goes.

saphojunkie · 02-26-2014, 04:17 PM

I was all about us taking a tight end until the wide receivers hit the field.

Jakemall · 02-26-2014, 05:54 PM

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Originally Posted by saphojunkie

I was all about us taking a tight end until the wide receivers hit the field.

I'd say give Kelce a chance, but draft another TE in the 4-6th rounds that can be developed.

I'd like to see the Chiefs trade out of their pick unless something sweet falls in their laps and get an extra 2nd and 3rd. This draft is rich in DBs and Wrs..which happen to be part of the team's needs.

htismaqe · 02-26-2014, 06:22 PM

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Originally Posted by saphojunkie

I was all about us taking a tight end until the wide receivers hit the field.

I still want Amaro, but I have to put Mike Evans at 1a now.

**Easy 6** · 02-26-2014, 06:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Jakemall

I'd say give Kelce a chance, but draft another TE in the 4-6th rounds that can be developed.

Kelce absolutely SHOULD get his chance, there are still high hopes about that guy... but those chances should be challenged and tempered by another 1-3rd round pick.

A formidable two TE set will be a magic elixir for Smith, they're PERFECT for his skill set.

htismaqe · 02-27-2014, 07:19 AM

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Originally Posted by scott free

Kelce absolutely SHOULD get his chance, there are still high hopes about that guy... but those chances should be challenged and tempered by another 1-3rd round pick.

A formidable two TE set will be a magic elixir for Smith, they're PERFECT for his skill set.

I agree.

I'm about as vocal as they get on Kelce. I'm not enamored with a 3rd round pick that missed his entire rookie season.

Do I want to give up on him? No. I didn't want to pin all of our hopes on him in the first place. This offense - Alex - needs a Vernon Davis. We need to keep trying to get one until we're SURE we have one.

OldSchool · 02-27-2014, 08:46 AM

Eric Ebron might not go as high as people are projecting. People keep comparing him to Vernon Davis but he is nowhere near the physical monster that Davis was.

Vernon Davis ran a 4.38 40 yard dash at the combine while weighing in at 263 pounds of, what looked like, pure muscle. He jumped through the roof with a 40" vertical.

Eric Ebron ran a 4.60 40 yard dash at the combine while weighing in at 250 pounds. He only jumped 32".

That is a world of difference in speed and explosion between the two and it's why Vernon Davis was a top 10 pick and why Ebron won't be. That draft was considered weak in offensive receiving threats at the top.

Take last year for instance, when big pass catching TEs were all the rage, Tyler Eifert was a great prospect coming out of Notre Dame; he was pretty close to Ebron in speed/explosiveness but easily had better and more consistent hands and was a more polished receiving TE overall. Tons of people had him going in the top 15 and Eifert didn't get picked until the 21st pick in the draft. Eifert didn't have much impact for the Bengals as a rookie (mostly because they didn't know how to use him well and he didn't get very many snaps due to Gresham being on the field).

To top it off, this year's WR class is significantly stronger than last year's but there are still only a few potential #1 candidates to be had. WR needy teams that are likely to take a receiver in the 1st will opt to go with a WR because they'll be able to fill the TE role in the 2nd and 3rd rounds with solid prospects. A #1 WR will always be valued over a good TE when it comes down to it.

12. Giants - They are losing Nicks, who was previously considered their #1 WR. But they could go OL as well or revamp their DL.
13. Rams - With their 2nd 1st round pick, even though they already took Austin too high last year, they still need a #1 threat. Rams could opt for one of the top safeties at this spot over a WR.
15. Steelers - Though I'll argue that they need more defensive and OL help than they do WR. They could still opt to take a #1 target for Big Ben here but they truly need to revamp their defense and get back to their old ways.
18. Jets - Need lots of offensive help. They'll take the best remaining #1 WR here and hope for a receiving TE later in the draft.
21. Green Bay - They could use a good TE with Finley's injury but they need defensive help a whole lot more than they do offense.

If Ebron were a more consistent pass catcher he would likely be a top 20 pick in this draft, no question about that. However, this draft is too strong for Ebron, who has highly inconsistent hands and isn't dominant and consistent at high pointing the ball, to go in the top 20, IMO. It's probable that he may be there for our pick at 23.

FTR: Ebron had a 11.43% drop percentage. That's terrible for someone who is being lauded as the next great TE.

htismaqe · 02-27-2014, 09:07 AM

Amaro >>> Ebron, IMO

OldSchool · 02-27-2014, 09:21 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

Amaro >>> Ebron, IMO

Amaro is the more polished receiver of the two, IMO. He also makes up for his smaller than ideal hand size with his concentration and aggressiveness as he fights for the ball. If you take Ebron over Amaro it's for the higher upside, Ebron just has better tools to work with and needs to improve his concentration. He can make jaw-dropping catches, he just needs to do it more consistently and needs to improve his ability to make plays over a defender because, even with his athleticism, it'll be tough for him to get separation through his speed and quickness alone at the next level. He's going to have to make all of the contested catches.

saphojunkie · 02-27-2014, 10:07 AM

The real question is whether

1st rd TE + 3rd rd WR

is more valuable than

1st rd WR + 3rd rd TE

OldSchool · 02-27-2014, 10:33 AM

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Originally Posted by saphojunkie

The real question is whether

1st rd TE + 3rd rd WR

is more valuable than

1st rd WR + 3rd rd TE

Actually, wouldn't it be more:

Top 5 WRs vs Ebron

Would you take Sammy Watkins over Ebron? Yes. Watkins is pretty much guaranteed to be a #1 WR in this league with his talent.

Would you take Mike Evans over Ebron? Yes. Evans is 2nd to only Jarvis Landry in making those contested catches and has good speed for a WR his size. He's no Calvin Johnson but he can be a Brandon Marshall, Alshon Jeffery, Vincent Jackson, or Larry Fitzgerald (is he improves his route running a lot) type.

Would you take Odell Beckham Jr. Over Ebron? Yes. #1 WR potential with great speed and versatility as a special teamer.

Would you take Marquise Lee over Ebron? Depends which Lee you're getting; are you talking about 2012 Lee or the 2013 version? If it's the 2012 one, then yes. 2013, probably not.

Would you take Brandin Cooks over Ebron? Depends who you think is more valuable. Cooks can dominate the slot and provide Kendall Wright/Victor Cruz type production from there, but there are a lot of slot guys in the draft who can do the same thing. Ebron gives us the ability to run a lot of different things out of double TE sets if Kelce proves that he can stay healthy and perform as well as our coaches think he can. Alex Smith would love to have two giant receivers who could run, allows him to really check in and out of pass/run plays and keep the defense guessing. However, that leaves us with the prospect of having to depend on Avery/Jenkins and Bowe on the outsides again.

Jakemall · 02-27-2014, 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by scott free

Kelce absolutely SHOULD get his chance, there are still high hopes about that guy... but those chances should be challenged and tempered by another 1-3rd round pick.

A formidable two TE set will be a magic elixir for Smith, they're PERFECT for his skill set.

I love two TE sets, but The chiefs would be better off converting an oversized WR to TE (like Walker) than trying to turn a TE in this draft into something that he's not.

This draft is deep in WRs and CBs..and there is no 2nd round pick. I don't see a TE being selected earlier than the 4th.

saphojunkie · 02-27-2014, 12:24 PM

Can anyone name a single successful tight end that was converted from receiver? Honestly asking.

**The Franchise** · 02-27-2014, 12:42 PM

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Originally Posted by saphojunkie

Can anyone name a single successful tight end that was converted from receiver? Honestly asking.

Define successful?

The only one that I'm aware of is Tim Wright in Tampa Bay.

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02-27-2014, 08:46 AM	#83
OldSchool MVP Join Date: Sep 2013 Casino cash: $10035212	Eric Ebron might not go as high as people are projecting. People keep comparing him to Vernon Davis but he is nowhere near the physical monster that Davis was. Vernon Davis ran a 4.38 40 yard dash at the combine while weighing in at 263 pounds of, what looked like, pure muscle. He jumped through the roof with a 40" vertical. Eric Ebron ran a 4.60 40 yard dash at the combine while weighing in at 250 pounds. He only jumped 32". That is a world of difference in speed and explosion between the two and it's why Vernon Davis was a top 10 pick and why Ebron won't be. That draft was considered weak in offensive receiving threats at the top. Take last year for instance, when big pass catching TEs were all the rage, Tyler Eifert was a great prospect coming out of Notre Dame; he was pretty close to Ebron in speed/explosiveness but easily had better and more consistent hands and was a more polished receiving TE overall. Tons of people had him going in the top 15 and Eifert didn't get picked until the 21st pick in the draft. Eifert didn't have much impact for the Bengals as a rookie (mostly because they didn't know how to use him well and he didn't get very many snaps due to Gresham being on the field). To top it off, this year's WR class is significantly stronger than last year's but there are still only a few potential #1 candidates to be had. WR needy teams that are likely to take a receiver in the 1st will opt to go with a WR because they'll be able to fill the TE role in the 2nd and 3rd rounds with solid prospects. A #1 WR will always be valued over a good TE when it comes down to it. 12. Giants - They are losing Nicks, who was previously considered their #1 WR. But they could go OL as well or revamp their DL. 13. Rams - With their 2nd 1st round pick, even though they already took Austin too high last year, they still need a #1 threat. Rams could opt for one of the top safeties at this spot over a WR. 15. Steelers - Though I'll argue that they need more defensive and OL help than they do WR. They could still opt to take a #1 target for Big Ben here but they truly need to revamp their defense and get back to their old ways. 18. Jets - Need lots of offensive help. They'll take the best remaining #1 WR here and hope for a receiving TE later in the draft. 21. Green Bay - They could use a good TE with Finley's injury but they need defensive help a whole lot more than they do offense. If Ebron were a more consistent pass catcher he would likely be a top 20 pick in this draft, no question about that. However, this draft is too strong for Ebron, who has highly inconsistent hands and isn't dominant and consistent at high pointing the ball, to go in the top 20, IMO. It's probable that he may be there for our pick at 23. FTR: Ebron had a 11.43% drop percentage. That's terrible for someone who is being lauded as the next great TE.
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