Chiefs Is this 2004 déjà vu? - Page 6

**BossChief** · 03-12-2014, 07:23 AM

It just seems like so far that's where this offseason is heading.

We have a good year and then in the offseason we spin our wheels/take steps back...while other teams in division are clearly bolstering their lineups.

I just feel like this is the offseason we need to make a push to put the pieces in place to win some playoff games and unless we add some serious pieces, we have a better chance at missing the playoffs all together.

This doesn't have much to do with day 1 free agency as it does the fact there has been no movement to try and create cap space by restructuring deals, no interest in the affordable signings and we let 3 quality OL walk in a year a division for is bolstering their pass rush and coverage units.

Just feels just like 2004, so far anyway.

Anyone else feel this way?

beach tribe · 03-12-2014, 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

They don't have a 2nd round pick. They can't build through the draft without draft picks. That's basic fundamental logic.

But if they have that 2nd, they would have no QB.
How does that Math not compute in your head?
You can't trade ANY picks for players or sign ANY FAs if you build through the draft?
That's just Stupid. Period.

Messier · 03-12-2014, 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

Dorsey and Reid traded two 2nd round draft picks for Alex Smith. They were very active in free agency. And used the draft to fill IMMEDIATE needs.

Now in year 2, they're doing the EXACT opposite.

Sorry if that's not a problem for you. For reasonable people, it doesn't add up.

Pure garbage. The fact that you think this is "supporting the Broncos" tells me everything I need to know.

Dorsey said at the end of last years offseason, they would not do that again , most likely. I think he meant be so active in FA and waiver wire.

htismaqe · 03-12-2014, 10:20 AM

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Originally Posted by beach tribe

But if they have that 2nd, they would have no QB.
How does that Math not compute in your head?

Somebody can't grasp a hold of the fact that when today ends, there's actually a TOMORROW.

htismaqe · 03-12-2014, 10:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Messier

Dorsey said at the end of last years offseason, they would not do that again , most likely. I think he meant be so active in FA and waiver wire.

So he immediately felt that they're approach was flawed. Either that or they succumbed to short-term thinking.

But we're supposed to give them a couple of years to settle in.

Messier · 03-12-2014, 10:22 AM

It's dumb to say they're being inconsistent. You have on offseason to go on, one they said was not going to be the norm.

BigRock · 03-12-2014, 10:23 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

Be adjusted? Sure. Do a complete 180? Um, that's the anthesis of a "plan".

The situation has done a 180. Last year they were taking on the football equivalent of breathing life back into an aborted fetus. The approach reflects the situation.

Messier · 03-12-2014, 10:24 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

So he immediately felt that they're approach was flawed. Either that or they succumbed to short-term thinking.

But we're supposed to give them a couple of years to settle in.

I think he meant they needed a lot of turn over last year. Not that it was a flawed plan.

beach tribe · 03-12-2014, 10:24 AM

You seem to think you either must choose to suck, and build through the draft, or blow your load on FAs and try to win now, but teams who are good at building through the draft and not signing the big names, are usually trying to win now EVERY YEAR.

beach tribe · 03-12-2014, 10:25 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

Somebody can't grasp a hold of the fact that when today ends, there's actually a TOMORROW.

Tomorrow for Smith will probably end 6-7 years from now.

htismaqe · 03-12-2014, 10:26 AM

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Originally Posted by beach tribe

Tomorrow for Smith will probably end 6-7 years from now.

Now there's some hope.

**BossChief** · 03-12-2014, 10:27 AM

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Originally Posted by loochy

Restructuring deals just screws you later. The bottom line is the Chiefs just don't have a lot of money right now.

sorry for being rude, but that's ignorant.

That rebuttal is not taking into account the fact that the cap is blowing up over the next 3 years and will be between 155-160 million 2 seasons from now and at that point, most of our star players will be past their prime or gone altogether.

FFS some of you just don't seem to be able to grasp the FACT that waiting 2 is unacceptable.

Let me try to relate this to Texas Holdem....

We've been in the tournament for 3 hours and the field has been cut in half and we got dealt AK suited and 2 other players pushed a lot of money pre flop and the pot is the largest it's been all night.

The flop comes AAK and 2 of those cards are hearts and the players that pushed money in per flop are continuing to push stacks of chips into the middle and we are at a position where we need to make a decision to fold or go all in.

The turn card comes 10hearts...

What KC is doing this offseason is just calling the bets while thinking about folding with hopes of waiting for a better hand.

The river card is a Qhearts.

Now, we are in a bad spot because we sat around and put ourselves into tat spot by not taking advantage of the flop.

Sorry, but there is a time when you need to be aggressive and push your chips into the middle and I think not trying to add a guy like Ward or Byrd is gonna end up giving another team a straight or royal flush and force us to stand up and leave the tournament.

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

And we could have gotten a top tier starter in round 2, too.

We're not trading down.

This isn't Madden.

I actually think that there is a good chance at moving down as long as we are willing to move down 8-10 spots. There are gonna be some big time talents that drop to us that won't drop 10 more spots and someone in that range will want to move up to get one of them.

Messier · 03-12-2014, 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

So he immediately felt that they're approach was flawed. Either that or they succumbed to short-term thinking.

But we're supposed to give them a couple of years to settle in.

They had a nice first year, no? I'm alright with seeing this year if they can build something sustainable.

beach tribe · 03-12-2014, 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by BigRock

The situation has done a 180. Last year they were taking on the football equivalent of breathing life back into an aborted fetus. The approach reflects the situation.

4-12 off-season with NO QB.

10-6 QB position filled.

Yeah, that might cause a slight adjustment in approach.

htismaqe · 03-12-2014, 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Messier

They had a nice first year, no? I'm alright with seeing this year if they can build something sustainable.

And when they don't?

htismaqe · 03-12-2014, 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by beach tribe

4-12 off-season with NO QB.

10-6 QB position filled.

Yeah, that might cause a slight adjustment in approach.

Worked for Herm.

03-12-2014, 07:23 AM
BossChief SuperBowl or bust Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: BF Iowa Casino cash: $-1755912	Is this 2004 déjà vu? It just seems like so far that's where this offseason is heading. We have a good year and then in the offseason we spin our wheels/take steps back...while other teams in division are clearly bolstering their lineups. I just feel like this is the offseason we need to make a push to put the pieces in place to win some playoff games and unless we add some serious pieces, we have a better chance at missing the playoffs all together. This doesn't have much to do with day 1 free agency as it does the fact there has been no movement to try and create cap space by restructuring deals, no interest in the affordable signings and we let 3 quality OL walk in a year a division for is bolstering their pass rush and coverage units. Just feels just like 2004, so far anyway. Anyone else feel this way?
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03-12-2014, 10:22 AM	#80
Messier MVP Join Date: Mar 2004 Casino cash: $10005050	It's dumb to say they're being inconsistent. You have on offseason to go on, one they said was not going to be the norm.
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03-12-2014, 10:24 AM	#83
beach tribe Keep doubting J MFing Houston Join Date: May 2007 Location: ft.lauderdale Casino cash: $3898036	You seem to think you either must choose to suck, and build through the draft, or blow your load on FAs and try to win now, but teams who are good at building through the draft and not signing the big names, are usually trying to win now EVERY YEAR.
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