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Old 10-25-2014, 08:27 AM  
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Berry or Hali...who is more valuable?
It was pretty much the consensus that drafting Ford spelled the exit for Hali next off-season...being that KC's defense is playing better this season with Berry on the bench, who is more valuable? I'm wondering if DJ hadn't been injured..if Berry's absence would even be noticed.

Hali is hands down my favorite Chief...his life history is pretty amazing. He is the veteran leader of the defense...KC would miss him in the locker room.
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Old 10-25-2014, 02:30 PM   #76
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Have to ask yourself, would Berry be injury prone if he wasn't lining up in the box so much?

The guys weighs, what, 205?

He's a tough SOB, but that takes a toll.
Right now he has a sprained ankle which has kept him in the hot tub for half a season - that has nothing to do with playing "linebacker".

Another major injury - a snapped ACL from getting hit downfield by Stevie Johnson - again, nothing to do with playing "linebacker".

Heel tendonitis? - nope, no "linebacker" problem there.
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Old 10-25-2014, 02:38 PM   #77
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I know it's irrational but I just can't see us letting Hali go. He's such a nice guy, so productive, and the leadership he brings to this team is invaluable.

Can you imagine how awkward a conversation about cutting Hali would be for Dorsey?
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Old 10-25-2014, 02:47 PM   #78
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All Ron parker has done is play Kendrick Lewis role and improved it by not getting beat deeo. He rarely forces turnovers doing that, but he keeps big plays from happening.

People scream that we don't miss berry, yet look at the turnovers we forced last year vs this year. Abdullah has done a great job playing the role he has, but he's not berry. So to say we don't miss berry in the slightest is basically, bullshit.

They're not letting guys that are producing at a high level walk. They didn't do that last year, the guys they let walk were solid but unspectacular players.
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Old 10-25-2014, 02:49 PM   #79
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With Tamba playing like he is, it sure makes the Dee Ford pick look pretty terrible up to this point. They've gotta get that guy on the field other wise that was a huge waste
First year who cares. Next year he will start.
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All Ron parker has done is play Kendrick Lewis role and improved it by not getting beat deeo. He rarely forces turnovers doing that, but he keeps big plays from happening.

People scream that we don't miss berry, yet look at the turnovers we forced last year vs this year. Abdullah has done a great job playing the role he has, but he's not berry. So to say we don't miss berry in the slightest is basically, bullshit.

They're not letting guys that are producing at a high level walk. They didn't do that last year, the guys they let walk were solid but unspectacular players.
they also havent faced that scenario yet of signing a good productive home grown talent on their second contract. Dorsey has yet to give one besides that Bowe bullshit.
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Old 10-25-2014, 02:51 PM   #81
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Kush, catapano, and ford are capable? Of what?

Hudson has been our best offensive line man by a long shot, Hali has played like an all pro, and Berry had a all pro year last year, playing a level ever so slightly below the best free safety in the game, in year 1 of a new system. This would be his second year in the same system, and based on all we've heard from the coaching staff, Eric Berry was a big part of their plans on defense.
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Old 10-25-2014, 02:56 PM   #82
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All Ron parker has done is play Kendrick Lewis role and improved it by not getting beat deeo. He rarely forces turnovers doing that, but he keeps big plays from happening.

People scream that we don't miss berry, yet look at the turnovers we forced last year vs this year. Abdullah has done a great job playing the role he has, but he's not berry. So to say we don't miss berry in the slightest is basically, bullshit.

They're not letting guys that are producing at a high level walk. They didn't do that last year, the guys they let walk were solid but unspectacular players.
Top 5 in pass D. Allowed fewest pass plays of 20+ yards. We miss his run stuffing ability at the line.

Not paying a run stuffing safety that money. Get him in the back and use him to cover or trade him.
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We aren't forcing turnovers with him out
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Old 10-25-2014, 03:35 PM   #84
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Hali is more important but how many more years does he give us? They might both be gone. I don't think we should pay Berry(trade if possible) and we should try to restructure Hali.
If we can restructure Hali contact i would love him to stay here.
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We aren't forcing turnovers with him out
VERY true.
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Top 5 in pass D. Allowed fewest pass plays of 20+ yards. We miss his run stuffing ability at the line.

Not paying a run stuffing safety that money. Get him in the back and use him to cover or trade him.
I think we miss more of DJ stuff at the line then berry. Because DJ would be in that backfield when the ball snap.
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I really love Eric Berry. There is nothing on the field he can't do, outside of lockdown coverage on elite WRs. You could probably start him at CB and be mostly okay.

Berry is a force at the line of scrimmage, unlike Reed was. And he is strong in coverage, unlike Polamalu.

He literally has the upside to be the best safety of his generation, and he needs to stay a Chief. We can probably keep him for $8m/year.

Hali needs to be extended. People calling for him to be cut don't remember how agonizing it's been under Vermeil/Herm/Haley when QBs had all day to wait.

Now we have the perfect passrush. Two forces off the edge, one really good up-and-comer as depth, tons of power up the middle (Poe and Bailey) with a tertiary threat from Bailey.

I've argued that Bailey needs to be retained, too.
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We aren't forcing turnovers with him out
What would you rather have? Turnovers and getting beat deep or no big plays given up, forcing punts and no turnovers?
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Cooper not forcing turnovers this year hurts us. He was solid at it last year.

We are also forcing several punts, so we are getting the ball back.
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All Ron parker has done is play Kendrick Lewis role and improved it by not getting beat deeo. He rarely forces turnovers doing that, but he keeps big plays from happening.

People scream that we don't miss berry, yet look at the turnovers we forced last year vs this year. Abdullah has done a great job playing the role he has, but he's not berry. So to say we don't miss berry in the slightest is basically, bullshit.

They're not letting guys that are producing at a high level walk. They didn't do that last year, the guys they let walk were solid but unspectacular players.
I think most people would agree that our turnover rate last year was a fluke created through the first 9 games of the season. It also doesn't help that this season, we have faced some really outstanding QBs.

Of course we would miss Berry. But we're talking about a guy who could get paid $10M+. Worst case scenario, you lose Berry and gain back DJ and Mays. Then we're in the same exact place we are now but with a stud LB and with $10M to spend on another safety or corner. That's the part I'm wrestling with. Of course he'd be missed, but $10M+ missed?
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