Football 538 Calls Tom Brady the 43rd Clutchest Postseason QB - Page 6

Just Passin' By · 01-13-2015, 12:53 PM

Poor Hootie. So pathetic......

PizzaDoughz · 01-13-2015, 12:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Just Passin' By

Poor Hootie. So pathetic......

But he's talking about football! Doesn't matter that he's almost always wrong and admittedly said himself he's trolling

Hootie · 01-13-2015, 01:13 PM

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Originally Posted by PizzaDoughz

But he's talking about football! Doesn't matter that he's almost always wrong and admittedly said himself he's trolling

Dear guy no one has ever heard of:

I said, in one post, the THREAD TITLE was a TROLL meant to GARNER ATTENTION.

At no other point in this thread, other than the knive juggling post, was a trolling anyone.

I've tried to discuss the featured article on ESPN.com's fivethirtyeight written by Nate Silver.

But, instead, the usual suspects showed up to tell me I'm pathetic, which, is pretty hypocritical considering I can post this thread once a day and get 500 responses every single time by the same 5 guys.

All I want is REAL DISCUSSION!

Tom : 12.6 - 13.4
Peyton: 8 - 16

REPLACEMENT LEVEL QB

DISCUSS!

PLEASE!

**Donger** · 01-13-2015, 01:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Hootie 2.0

Dear guy no one has ever heard of:

I said, in one post, the THREAD TITLE was a TROLL meant to GARNER ATTENTION.

At no other point in this thread, other than the knive juggling post, was a trolling anyone.

I've tried to discuss the featured article on ESPN.com's fivethirtyeight written by Nate Silver.

But, instead, the usual suspects showed up to tell me I'm pathetic, which, is pretty hypocritical considering I can post this thread once a day and get 500 responses every single time by the same 5 guys.

All I want is REAL DISCUSSION!

Tom : 12.6 - 13.4
Peyton: 8 - 16

REPLACEMENT LEVEL QB

DISCUSS!

PLEASE!

You really shouldn't be surprised that if you cover yourself with shit, people will tell you smell, Hootie. That doesn't make it a good thing.

FringeNC · 01-13-2015, 01:17 PM

Suffers from the same problem all QB metrics do: isolating the effect of QB play. Stats like adjusted yards per attempt are great at measuring the effectiveness of a team's passing attack, which is whole lot more than QB performance.

I don't see how the idea of a replacement level QB solves the issue at all. You're simply measuring the Green Bay (or whoever) passing attack versus the average passing attack of a team with an injured QB, not Aaron Rodgers. Aaron Rodgers is a great QB, not doubt, but his coach and GM are pretty good, too. Didn't Flynn set some club records a few years ago?

**LoneWolf** · 01-13-2015, 01:18 PM

Hootie, when posters say that Brady hasn't had the same caliber of weapons as Manning, they are talking about offensive weapons. If you want to include their defenses, fine, but you are arguing with yourself when you choose to do that. Nobody in their right mind is saying Manning has had the same type of defenses on his teams that Brady has.

Hootie · 01-13-2015, 01:22 PM

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Originally Posted by LoneWolf

Hootie, when posters say that Brady hasn't had the same caliber of weapons as Manning, they are talking about offensive weapons. If you want to include their defenses, fine, but you are arguing with yourself when you choose to do that. Nobody in their right mind is saying Manning has had the same type of defenses on his teams that Brady has.

Weapons are weapons, bro. Tom has had better teams in more postseason games than Peyton, and it clearly isn't close

**LoneWolf** · 01-13-2015, 01:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Hootie 2.0

Weapons are weapons, bro. Tom has had better teams in more postseason games than Peyton, and it clearly isn't close

I agree, but nobody calls a teams defense a weapon when talking about a quarterback's play.

Pasta Little Brioni · 01-13-2015, 01:36 PM

Matt Cassel 12 playoff wins

Hootie · 01-13-2015, 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Pasta Giant Meatball

Matt Cassel 12 playoff wins

out of 26 with Belichick as coach scheming his opponent?

is that really out of the realm of possibility? Remember, it wasn't Cassel getting them to the playoffs in this scenario. Tom and Peyton were still the regular season QB's.

This is Cassel starting instead of Brady in 26 playoff games. And Cassel starting instead of Manning in 24 playoff games (assuming Cassel is replacement level exactly).

Nate Silver concluded in this scenario Cassel goes 12.6 - 13.4 with the Pats and 8 - 16 with the Colts / Broncos in playoff games started by those two HOF QB's.

Jim Lahey · 01-13-2015, 01:41 PM

This thread is the stupidest ****ing thing ill read all day. JFC. 9 AFC championship appearances and Brady is trash and Manning is god. Get real.

Hootie · 01-13-2015, 02:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Jim Lahey

This thread is the stupidest ****ing thing ill read all day. JFC. 9 AFC championship appearances and Brady is trash and Manning is god. Get real.

where are you reading Brady is trash? where are you reading Manning is God? Please link me to where this has been said.

Thank you.

Pasta Little Brioni · 01-13-2015, 01:45 PM

Well we do know nine one and dones could be had by a replacement level QB

KC_Connection · 01-13-2015, 01:50 PM

Just more confirmation that Brady has had a ton of help in getting the postseason wins he's had, which shouldn't be a surprise to anybody.

Jim Lahey · 01-13-2015, 02:02 PM

The biggest joke is the notion that Manning > Brady because Cassel won 11 games with the Patriots and Curtis ****ing Painter/Kerry Collins won 2. Is Curtis Painter even in the league anymore? And Kerry Collins was what, 38? Not to mentioned they waited til 2 weeks til the regular season to sign the broke bastard. That whole season in Indy was a shitfest because they wanted Luck.

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FringeNC MVP Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: NC Casino cash: $1306014	Suffers from the same problem all QB metrics do: isolating the effect of QB play. Stats like adjusted yards per attempt are great at measuring the effectiveness of a team's passing attack, which is whole lot more than QB performance. I don't see how the idea of a replacement level QB solves the issue at all. You're simply measuring the Green Bay (or whoever) passing attack versus the average passing attack of a team with an injured QB, not Aaron Rodgers. Aaron Rodgers is a great QB, not doubt, but his coach and GM are pretty good, too. Didn't Flynn set some club records a few years ago?
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LoneWolf Constable of Untruths Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Wichita Casino cash: $1241084	Hootie, when posters say that Brady hasn't had the same caliber of weapons as Manning, they are talking about offensive weapons. If you want to include their defenses, fine, but you are arguing with yourself when you choose to do that. Nobody in their right mind is saying Manning has had the same type of defenses on his teams that Brady has.
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Jim Lahey The shit-winds are blowin Join Date: Aug 2014 Location: Sunnyvale trailer park Casino cash: $10013647	This thread is the stupidest ****ing thing ill read all day. JFC. 9 AFC championship appearances and Brady is trash and Manning is god. Get real.
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01-13-2015, 01:45 PM	#13
Pasta Little Brioni Consuming CP souls Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: U.S.A. Casino cash: $3438880	Well we do know nine one and dones could be had by a replacement level QB __________________ **Official TFWdemB Trivia Commisioner**
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KC_Connection Perpetual Mediocrity Join Date: Jan 2006 Casino cash: $4822783	Just more confirmation that Brady has had a ton of help in getting the postseason wins he's had, which shouldn't be a surprise to anybody.
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01-13-2015, 02:02 PM	#15
Jim Lahey The shit-winds are blowin Join Date: Aug 2014 Location: Sunnyvale trailer park Casino cash: $10013647	The biggest joke is the notion that Manning > Brady because Cassel won 11 games with the Patriots and Curtis ****ing Painter/Kerry Collins won 2. Is Curtis Painter even in the league anymore? And Kerry Collins was what, 38? Not to mentioned they waited til 2 weeks til the regular season to sign the broke bastard. That whole season in Indy was a shitfest because they wanted Luck.
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