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Old 08-22-2017, 01:45 PM  
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Eric Winston: Don't care if NFL 'dies out in 20 years' because of work stoppage
Winston not concerned if NFL dies out in 20 years

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NFL Players Association president Eric Winston agreed with DeMaurice Smith's recent comments that a work stoppage in 2021 is likely, given the current relationship between the union and the league.

But Winston took it a step further Monday in an interview with WCPO in Cincinnati, suggesting that players shouldn't care that a strike or lockout "might kill the goose that laid the golden egg."

"Honestly I don't care and I don't think the guys in this locker room care whether [the NFL] is going to be around in 20 years because none of us are going to be playing," Winston, an offensive tackle for the Bengals, told WCPO. "So if these guys [the owners] want to own for a long time, then they can own for a long time. But another work stoppage might kill the golden goose."

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A work stoppage in 2021 is "almost a virtual certainty," NFLPA executive director DeMaurice Smith told Sports Illustrated in a video interview posted Thursday.

Smith, the union's executive director, said last week that "the likelihood of either a strike or a lockout is almost a virtual certainty."

The NFL's current collective bargaining agreement, which is set to expire in 2021, was finalized after a 132-day lockout in 2011.

Winston, 33, said the union is preparing its players for another prolonged labor dispute but emphasized that the long-term health of the NFL is not a concern of his.

"I'm certainly not worried about it," he said. "I'm not going to be around that long. I don't care if even if there are rookies in here -- they're not going to be playing that long.

"So if this thing dies out in 20 years, it dies out in 20 years. That's not really my concern, and I don't think it's any of these players' concern in here either."

Smith, when asked about Winston's comments during an interview Tuesday with ESPN's Outside The Lines, said the veteran offensive lineman is "a person who understands the frame and business of football."

"The owners locked us out the last time," Smith said. "They took the decision to make sure that people didn't have a place to work. They cut off the insurance to our families. They wanted to force an 18-game schedule. What are you supposed to do? Fight back, right?"

Winston is a 12-year veteran and has been the NFLPA's president since March 2014. He acknowledged that there are "always going to be issues between labor and management" but also said that a work stoppage will be the "inevitable outcome" unless serious progress is made in negotiations.


The NFLPA has clashed in recent years with the NFL over player discipline in such high-profile cases as Adrian Peterson's suspension for child abuse, Tom Brady's Deflategate suspension and, most recently, Ezekiel Elliott's suspension for alleged domestic violence.

Winston also was asked Monday why he thinks fans tend to side with ownership in labor disputes.

"My personal theory is [fans] think they have a stake in the team," he said. "I was as blindsided by it probably as anybody [in 2011]. ... They don't look at the issues the way we look at issues -- wages, hours, working conditions, and health and safety. You could talk about the same thing in a coal miners' union meeting as we do in our meetings.

"I think fans look at the team and say that that's their team -- they have an ownership in that. That's why you always hear fans say 'Oh, the salary cap,' and they think they're kinda the general managers. Obviously fantasy football and things like that play into it."
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Old 08-22-2017, 05:00 PM   #76
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No matter what side anyone is on it's going be the fans that pay for it. I have no problem with players wanting a bigger piece of the pie they deserve it. However the owners will just increase the price of tickets and the fans will pay for it.

When people can't afford to go they wont and then there will be less revenue for the NFL.
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Old 08-22-2017, 05:09 PM   #77
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Old 08-22-2017, 05:12 PM   #78
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Jesus, people. Quit comparing NFL players to Regular Joe jobs.

Your choice to be a ****ing coal miner.

Jealousy is a bitch.
Winston is the one who brought up coal mining.

He's the one who invited the comparison.

Don't be a dumbass.
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Old 08-22-2017, 05:19 PM   #79
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No matter what side anyone is on it's going be the fans that pay for it. I have no problem with players wanting a bigger piece of the pie they deserve it. However the owners will just increase the price of tickets and the fans will pay for it.

When people can't afford to go they wont and then there will be less revenue for the NFL.
Ticket revenue is minuscule compared to the $9 billion dollars in TV revenue.
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Old 08-22-2017, 05:25 PM   #80
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Ticket revenue is minuscule compared to the $9 billion dollars in TV revenue.
Yep.

And the PPV model won't recapture what the inevitable cable rights contraction bubble gives back as the bubble peters out. There just aren't enough viewers to make up for what the non-viewers are presently subsidizing. Player salaries, at least in relation to inflation, will be going down at some point and I don't think that point is too far off.

Within 10 years the owners won't have the license to print money they do now and as the television experience gets better and better, their ability to recover ANYTHING via gate sales will be diminished. Most teams can't sell out with any regularity now, even when they have quality squads.

The supply and demand curves are already not intersecting at the present price points - owners can't just keep jumping up the ticket prices infinitely.

Which may well be what causes the standoff - everyone involved in the game would be wise to make hay while the sun is shining. It won't be this bright for much longer no matter what any of them do.
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Old 08-22-2017, 05:27 PM   #81
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Ticket revenue is minuscule compared to the $9 billion dollars in TV revenue.
Yeah I know that too but if the stadiums start looking half empty because of lost interest in going do to cost increase then I think it would have a trickle effect on TV because viewers will notice the crowds not into it and that will affect the mindset of watching games imo it will be a downward spiral. Image is everything.


Baseball the World Series is exciting because you see all those people in the stands even though the cost of a single ticket can be in the thousands it's not an average home game during the season. After saying that about WS tickets being so expensive I don't know if I have a point? People will pay out the ass for good product but if the product doesn't look appealing then they wont and I think that is my point with the empty seats for watching it on TV.
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Old 08-22-2017, 05:30 PM   #82
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Yep.

And the PPV model won't recapture what the inevitable cable rights contraction bubble gives back as the bubble peters out. There just aren't enough viewers to make up for what the non-viewers are presently subsidizing. Player salaries, at least in relation to inflation, will be going down at some point and I don't think that point is too far off.

Within 10 years the owners won't have the license to print money they do now and as the television experience gets better and better, their ability to recover ANYTHING via gate sales will be diminished. Most teams can't sell out with any regularity now, even when they have quality squads.

The supply and demand curves are already not intersecting at the present price points - owners can't just keep jumping up the ticket prices infinitely.

Which may well be what causes the standoff - everyone involved in the game would be wise to make hay while the sun is shining. It won't be this bright for much longer no matter what any of them do.
And dopey gigantic stadiums, outside of Los Angeles and Las Vegas, will and should be a thing of the past.

With Los Angeles, the stadium build makes complete sense because we're hosting the 2028 Olympics. Finally, there will be a venue to support a Final Four, which has never been hosted by any city on the West Coast.

Vegas makes sense, too, as it's already a destination. But IMO, future stadiums should be limited to 50,000 seats or less, especially with the advent of UHD 4K TV's, not to mention, the emergence of Virtual Reality.
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Love these forward thinking football players. Winston showing off that he is a neanderthal. These guys should be told the same thing as any other worker..if you don't like working here please feel free to find a different line of work.

They complain about hours and work conditions..tell that crap to coal miners who toiled away and got black lung for much less. No one forces these football guys to play..they could go look for other jobs but instead they will take their millions and whine and cry about it. Whatever job you take you go into it knowing the risks associated with it. Man up and do your job or find one you feel fits you better. Tired of the whining.
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It is a complicated situation because of the amount of players on an NFL roster compared to the other sports and because of all the injuries that happen in football.

Overall, all things considered, I think NFL players deserve more money. It's the most popular sport in America and generates the most money yet the players are vastly underpaid compared to other sports. Something isn't right here.
What do the players get revenue percentage wise compared to other sports?

Only thing they should try for is guaranteed contracts. And the league shouldn't pay out more than 50% revenue.
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