Brett Veach Sucks

[Titty Meat]

Veachs defensive acquisitions since hes been GM: Revis (washed), Breeland Speaks (fat and slow) Derrick nnadi(ok), Darien Odaniel (part time player), Armani Watts (injured just like in college), Tremon Smith (sucks), Anthony Hitchens (most overpaid player in the league) Ragland who we gave a draft pick for knee literally swelled flying to camp, Scandrick didn't even play tonight.


1.5 years not 1 impact player on defense

[Chris Meck]

Originally Posted by Easy 6

I'm not sure thats been proven true yet

Speaks is a perhaps miscast, overweight rookie... and Kpass was a known project who has flashed some, and was then apparently taken out to the country and dumped off like a dog with no explanation given

I think both are physically miscast at OLB. The days of the hulking Levon Kirkland type OLB's is over. You need LB's that can cover now.

I think either fit better as 4-3 DE's and should be in the rotation for that next year, when we transition back to a 4-3 with our new Defensive coordinator, Ben Bloom.

[GloucesterChief]

Originally Posted by Chris Meck

I think both are physically miscast at OLB. The days of the hulking Levon Kirkland type OLB's is over. You need LB's that can cover now.

I think either fit better as 4-3 DE's and should be in the rotation for that next year, when we transition back to a 4-3 with our new Defensive coordinator, Ben Bloom.

Sutton will be back next year as Andy never fires anybody. It is one of his glaring weaknesses as a coach.

[Easy 6]

Originally Posted by Chris Meck

I think both are physically miscast at OLB. The days of the hulking Levon Kirkland type OLB's is over. You need LB's that can cover now.

I think either fit better as 4-3 DE's and should be in the rotation for that next year, when we transition back to a 4-3 with our new Defensive coordinator, Ben Bloom.

I've been wide open to the idea of a 43 for a looong time, its an idea thats been gaining steam around here for 2-3 years now

But as for Kpass, its no safe bet he'll be here in 2019 IMO... based on his current MIA status

[RealSNR]

He was just sooo aggressive in moving up to grab HIS guys, and his guys were pretty WTF picks.

All offseason all we heard was, "Veach is aggressive... he's going to get his guys and make lots of moves." And he did, but god damn... THOSE were the guys you were so ****ing desperate to draft? Breeland ****ing Speaks was that guy?

Like, if you have no poker face, and you make an aggressive move, it's probably because you have a guy so highly ranked above the other players on the board that you almost don't have a legitimate backup plan if you don't get him. The Breeland Speaks pick to me shows recklessness. Veach liked him, and regardless of the other guys his scouts showed him, that was just going to be the ****ing pick and go **** yourself.

You can do that when you're not the lead guy making the decisions. When you're director of college scouting or whatever the **** he was, yeah, you can go up to Reid and dickslap him repeatedly until he looks at the film on Fletcher Cox and Patrick Mahomes. You're making your case. But being in charge is different from just saying, "THAT'S MY GUY!" You have to take a far more balanced approach to decision making.

What this offseason looks like to me is that Veach lacks a ton of patience as a GM. He's young and pretty ****ing inexperienced, and he's never been in that kind of leadership role in an organization or had much time to work under a guy who knew what he was doing (like Dorsey did).

Dorsey mismanaged the cap? Yeah, he wasn't the greatest, but compared to Veach, Dorsey is as big of a cheap asshole as Bill Belichick.

[RealSNR]

Veach's draft reminds me of Carl/Vermeil/whoever the hell was running the draft in those years. I'm anticipating more 2nd round picks that made you scream "****ING WHO?" at the television. Kris Wilson. Kawicka Mitchell.

Like, I'm not saying Mel/McShay/Mayock are draft gods, but when we're talking the top 64 players in a draft class, there should be SOME general overlap. When your 2nd round pick is completely out of left ****ing field, you can say all you want, "Well, that's why those guys don't run NFL teams!" but it also means you're banking on the less common occurrence that those guys just overlooked something entirely about a player. After all, we're talking the top 64 players. No draft board is the gonna be the same, but if yours is WAAAAY different from the rest of the pack... well, it better damn well be right.

The Vermeil drafts were never lined up with players expected to go in that range. And spoiler alert: other than Jared Allen, who nobody knew about but was drafted in the 4th round, all of those guys sucked ****ing DICK.

[dlphg9]

Originally Posted by RealSNR

He was just sooo aggressive in moving up to grab HIS guys, and his guys were pretty WTF picks.

All offseason all we heard was, "Veach is aggressive... he's going to get his guys and make lots of moves." And he did, but god damn... THOSE were the guys you were so ****ing desperate to draft? Breeland ****ing Speaks was that guy?

Like, if you have no poker face, and you make an aggressive move, it's probably because you have a guy so highly ranked above the other players on the board that you almost don't have a legitimate backup plan if you don't get him. The Breeland Speaks pick to me shows recklessness. Veach liked him, and regardless of the other guys his scouts showed him, that was just going to be the ****ing pick and go **** yourself.

You can do that when you're not the lead guy making the decisions. When you're director of college scouting or whatever the **** he was, yeah, you can go up to Reid and dickslap him repeatedly until he looks at the film on Fletcher Cox and Patrick Mahomes. You're making your case. But being in charge is different from just saying, "THAT'S MY GUY!" You have to take a far more balanced approach to decision making.

What this offseason looks like to me is that Veach lacks a ton of patience as a GM. He's young and pretty ****ing inexperienced, and he's never been in that kind of leadership role in an organization or had much time to work under a guy who knew what he was doing (like Dorsey did).

Dorsey mismanaged the cap? Yeah, he wasn't the greatest, but compared to Veach, Dorsey is as big of a cheap asshole as Bill Belichick.

Yep, hes the type of guy thats always right and smarter than everyone else in the room. Guys in charge have to take advice from the guys under them or those people probably wont stay around long.

I know its in your next post, but Kris "Secret Weapon" Wilson. What a joke of a pick. He was hyped up so much by the media and organization lol.

[tk13]

Fun fact: we have more Vermeil era draft picks on this team than Herm era draft picks.

Vermeil's first draft was horrendous. They had a couple hits. Larry Johnson was 100% Carl. Allen was obviously the best player. Derrick Johnson obviously had a nice career. Fujita actually had a decent career too. He ended up being a starter on a Super Bowl winning defense. The problem was that was it, they didn't even really find successful backup type players for depth, let alone starters.

Pioli's first draft was pretty brutal too. Only real success out of that was Tyson Jackson and Succop.

[arrowheadnation]

And the biggest mistake he made in my eyes is not doing anything at the trade deadline to try and fix this bullshit.

[PAChiefsGuy]

Originally Posted by dirk digler

You may be right but I am willing to give him 1 more off season. And let's be honest though he is Reid's hand picked GM.

I agree with this. As bad as Veach has been it's too early to fire him. Have to give him more time. But so far, he's sucked... Unlike most here I think Veach is the main reason the defense sucks, not Sutton.

I'd also like to say there is no reason Dorsey should have gotten fired. One of the reasons this franchise has gone so many years without winning a SB is cause of idiotic moves like that. I know the blind Chief fans will support anything Hunt does but the Dorsey firing was a ****ing terrible move.

[Chargem]

I know you can do this every draft, but if the Chiefs had taken Jessie Bates in the 2nd and then Maurice Hurst in the 4th, I think the defense would look so much better now and I'd be so much more optimistic about next year with just having holes to fill at corner and line backer.

I don't blame Veach for not going after a mid season trade. They expected the defense to be a two year fix, and this year has been a bit of a surprise with how good Mahomes has been in his first year. No one expected an MVP candidate. Maybe next year, if the defense gets addressed in the draft and looks to be around league average, I can see Veach going after that 1 guy mid season who maybe puts the Chiefs over the top, but one Eli Apple or Haha Clinton Dix wasn't going to fix the defense this year, so you may as well keep the picks.

[RealSNR]

Somebody posted a rumor on here that we were possibly interested in bringing aboard Louis Riddick as GM. Maybe we tried to get him and he declined because he enjoyed his cushy job at ESPN much more or something.

But man, that would have been a freakin sweet hire.

[RealSNR]

Originally Posted by Chargem

I know you can do this every draft, but if the Chiefs had taken Jessie Bates in the 2nd and then Maurice Hurst in the 4th, I think the defense would look so much better now and I'd be so much more optimistic about next year with just having holes to fill at corner and line backer.

I don't blame Veach for not going after a mid season trade. They expected the defense to be a two year fix, and this year has been a bit of a surprise with how good Mahomes has been in his first year. No one expected an MVP candidate. Maybe next year, if the defense gets addressed in the draft and looks to be around league average, I can see Veach going after that 1 guy mid season who maybe puts the Chiefs over the top, but one Eli Apple or Haha Clinton Dix wasn't going to fix the defense this year, so you may as well keep the picks.

Here's another issue, though.

The broadcasters during the Ravens/Chargers game were talking about Martindale's defense and how he kind of rebuilt it himself by simplifying it so rookies and young guys could earn more snaps (or potentially even start) very early on in their careers.

2018 was a draft class of nearly 100% defense. Why the hell did it take so long for Sutton/Reid to put those guys on the field? If it's because it takes time to figure out the responsibilities in Sutton's defense, then that means you've got a horse ****ing shit defensive scheme for rebuilding.

Sutton's been fielding a run defense ranked in the 20s or lower for HOW long now, and every year he ****ing changes nothing. It makes zero sense.

Can't properly judge Veach until Sutton is fired and a competent D coordinator is brought on board. That being said, Veach didn't have a good first draft. Beyond that, the Chiefs need to hire a scout/talent evaluator whose expertise is defense.

[oldman]

Originally Posted by arrowheadnation

And the biggest mistake he made in my eyes is not doing anything at the trade deadline to try and fix this bullshit.

You can't trade for a guy with a broken leg. You can't trade with a team that won't give up a star player.

[TwistedChief]

Originally Posted by oldman

You can't trade for a guy with a broken leg. You can't trade with a team that won't give up a star player.

Landon Collins. Janoris Jenkins. HaHa Clinton-Dix. Eli Apple.

Ample evidence at the time the first two were available. The second two were actually traded. At a minimum Jenkins and Apple would've given us some CB depth and Collins and Dix could've kept some of our safeties off the field.

Too many people here were thrilled we didn't give up valued draft picks at the deadline. It was maddening.