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Old 01-21-2019, 05:51 PM   #1
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You can get a couple pretty good players for that. Peace out, Dee!

We have so many holes on D, that we need to upgrade multiple positions. Overpaying one-dimension players who no-show in the biggest game of the year is not the answer.

I was in the Franchise Ford camp all year until last night. I hope we’ve seen the last of him.
Because of 1 play?
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Old 01-21-2019, 06:07 PM   #2
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So the cost to franchise Ford is $16 million. Yeah **** that.
Isn't that also about Houston's number for next year?
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Old 01-21-2019, 05:30 PM   #3
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Jones is a lot like Aaron Donald

It’s just hard to have a dl be great vs the run and the pass.

I don’t know what to do
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Old 01-21-2019, 07:29 PM   #4
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Jones is a lot like Aaron Donald

It’s just hard to have a dl be great vs the run and the pass.

I don’t know what to do
That's why you have situational players. Ford is a situational pass rusher. If you put him on the field in passing situations only he's an asset. That's also why you don't pay him. Let another team make that mistake.

Jones should probably be a strongside DE in early downs and shift inside in a four man front in passing downs.
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Old 01-21-2019, 07:31 PM   #5
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That's why you have situational players. Ford is a situational pass rusher. If you put him on the field in passing situations only he's an asset. That's also why you don't pay him. Let another team make that mistake.

Jones should probably be a strongside DE in early downs and shift inside in a four man front in passing downs.
I can see that. You could make the case though that with this offense you’re going to have teams playing catch up and throwing it a lot and you’ll need pass rushers.
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Old 01-21-2019, 07:37 PM   #6
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I can see that. You could make the case though that with this offense you’re going to have teams playing catch up and throwing it a lot and you’ll need pass rushers.
You do need pass rushers, but you shouldn't pay a one-dimensional pass rusher with durability concerns elite money. That's why it's so important to draft well. You don't have to draft a Justin Houston every other year, but if someone like K-Pass wasn't a bucket of pig shit then there's no need to pay Ford at all because you'd have his replacement for 10% of his cap hit. The Patriots are who they are in part because they never overpay for guys like Dee Ford. They wouldn't even pay Chandler Jones (which was, arguably, a mistake), who is much better than Dee Ford.
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You do need pass rushers, but you shouldn't pay a one-dimensional pass rusher with durability concerns elite money. That's why it's so important to draft well. You don't have to draft a Justin Houston every other year, but if someone like K-Pass wasn't a bucket of pig shit then there's no need to pay Ford at all because you'd have his replacement for 10% of his cap hit. The Patriots are who they are in part because they never overpay for guys like Dee Ford. They wouldn't even pay Chandler Jones (which was, arguably, a mistake), who is much better than Dee Ford.
This is where it pays to have a defensive developer that can scheme up and develop some of that.
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Old 01-21-2019, 07:40 PM   #8
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You do need pass rushers, but you shouldn't pay a one-dimensional pass rusher with durability concerns elite money. That's why it's so important to draft well. You don't have to draft a Justin Houston every other year, but if someone like K-Pass wasn't a bucket of pig shit then there's no need to pay Ford at all because you'd have his replacement for 10% of his cap hit. The Patriots are who they are in part because they never overpay for guys like Dee Ford. They wouldn't even pay Chandler Jones (which was, arguably, a mistake), who is much better than Dee Ford.
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I just wanna say, I’ll bet if Dee Ford was on the Pats last night and lined up off sides like that; Belicheck would’ve been like **** you, you’re out the door! The Chiefs are more like “yeah we’ll consider signing you.” Thats the difference between the Patriots and the Chiefs.
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A DT that doesn't play the run is basically an invitation to be run on and have your MLBs get guards on them...wonder why we give up running yards? There you go...in a 3-4 you can't have a guy do that it opens huge lanes. 4-3 it's a bit more acceptable cause you can put a run stuffer next to him.
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A DT that doesn't play the run is basically an invitation to be run on and have your MLBs get guards on them...wonder why we give up running yards? There you go...in a 3-4 you can't have a guy do that it opens huge lanes. 4-3 it's a bit more acceptable cause you can put a run stuffer next to him.
Is Aaron Donald a complementary player?
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**** Dee Ford. Piece of shit cost us a superbowl appearance.
Eric Berry should have turned around.
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Aaron Donald is in a different scheme with Suh next to him....in this scheme Chris Jones is a huge reason the run D sucks.
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Aaron Donald is in a different scheme with Suh next to him....in this scheme Chris Jones is a huge reason the run D sucks.
And the Rams run defense sucks too. So...
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And the Rams run defense sucks too. So...
You just made the case against Donald and Jones.

Only reason Rams are on the way to the SB is a terrible non call on an obvious PI, just like KC was one play from the SB.
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