Football Contract money vs legacy - Page 6

Lprechaun · 07-03-2019, 01:03 PM

Since we do now have Mahomes, he will retire as a Chief, and with the upcoming contract for him (ungodly numbers) I got thinking about what he has shown so far and wondered if it could turn into a club friendly contract to ensure the ability to get more talent around him.
Its really a money issue, what is enough and what is in the end just simply not needed. His agent doesnt jump at money, he is quirky but smart. He told Mahomes the money would show up and he needed to concentrate on the game.
PM2 didnt come from a poor family living in squalor, I think legacy might mean more to him than a bigger NFL contract.
As this team turns the page from the Pats as the team where players want to go we will have no shortage of team friendly contracts of players wanting a championship.
OR is money that important and we just hope we can draft well enough to put a team around him?
(He deserves every cent, I see him not taking it like others have just to have it.)

RunKC · 07-04-2019, 02:19 PM

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Originally Posted by PAChiefsGuy

I hope he has learned from Brady and takes that route. Brady really deserves a lot of credit for taking less money and it is one of the reasons he has won so many SBs...

No. He’s won so many Super Bowl’s bc his coach turns scrubs from other teams into good players on defense. Brady has had a top 10 defense in 14 of his seasons.

Give any great QB a good defense like that every year and they would have as many or more Super Bowl’s than Tom.

PAChiefsGuy · 07-04-2019, 02:54 PM

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Originally Posted by RubberSponge

Stop with the fantasy land bullshit. If you really think Brady giving up a few million a year is even the smallest factor of them winning a few championships you are just dumb. D.U.M.B. Dumb. That goes for anyone thinking that dumb shit.

You're talking about a profession where in most cases you only have one chance for a large pay day. Players have to try to maximize every contract they can get because nobody knows if they will ever see one again.

This rah rah fantasy land doing it for the team is nothing but a bullshit child's fantasy that simply does not have a grasp in reality.

Do research. Brady has taken less than he could have made throughout his career.

https://www.businessinsider.com/tom-...argain-2018-7/

Just because you only care about money doesnt mean that is the #1 priority for every person in life. Brady wants to win way more than he wants to be the highest paid QB. It's pretty obvious. Hopefully Mahomes is the same way.

Chiefshrink · 07-04-2019, 03:51 PM

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Originally Posted by RubberSponge

This rah rah fantasy land doing it for the team is nothing but a bullshit child's fantasy that simply does not have a grasp in reality.

Really? It's worked for Brady so far.

Brady knew early on he had something special in NE with Bellichek and the nucleus of talent around him besides himself. Hopefully Mahomes recognizes this as well just as PA ChiefsGuy said.

Chiefshrink · 07-04-2019, 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by RunKC

No. He’s won so many Super Bowl’s bc his coach turns scrubs from other teams into good players on defense. Brady has had a top 10 defense in 14 of his seasons.

Give any great QB a good defense like that every year and they would have as many or more Super Bowl’s than Tom.

You've indirectly contradicted yourself here in making my point in TB winning SB's because of his team first approach in taking less $$.

Like I said, TB gives Bellichek financial room with the cap to bring in the talent when needed. How does BB maintain a top 10 defense in 14 yrs IF TB is stingy with $$ ??

RunKC · 07-04-2019, 04:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Chiefshrink

You've indirectly contradicted yourself here in making my point in TB winning SB's because of his team first approach in taking less $$.

Like I said, TB gives Bellichek financial room with the cap to bring in the talent when needed. How does BB maintain a top 10 defense in 14 yrs IF TB is stingy with $$ ??

He coaches up any player to play well in his system.

Kyle Van Noy, Rob Ninkovich, Trey Flowers, Lawrence Guy, J.C. Jackson, John Simon. None of those guys were looked at fondly before they wen tor NE.

Do we need to bring up their OL that’s coached by the best OL coach in the league?

They have elite coaching and don’t pay anyone insane money outside of Brady

Chiefshrink · 07-04-2019, 04:40 PM

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Originally Posted by RunKC

He coaches up any player to play well in his system.

Kyle Van Noy, Rob Ninkovich, Trey Flowers, Lawrence Guy, J.C. Jackson, John Simon. None of those guys were looked at fondly before they wen tor NE.

Do we need to bring up their OL that’s coached by the best OL coach in the league?

They have elite coaching and don’t pay anyone insane money outside of Brady

Who said anything about elite coaching not being part of the success? Coaching is always a part of it no doubt BUT it helps to have flexibility in the cap when needed.

tredadda · 07-04-2019, 05:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Chiefshrink

You've indirectly contradicted yourself here in making my point in TB winning SB's because of his team first approach in taking less $$.

Like I said, TB gives Bellichek financial room with the cap to bring in the talent when needed. How does BB maintain a top 10 defense in 14 yrs IF TB is stingy with $$ ??

Because he is one of the most brilliant defensive minds of modern times if not the history of football.

PAChiefsGuy · 07-04-2019, 07:01 PM

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Originally Posted by tredadda

Because he is one of the most brilliant defensive minds of modern times if not the history of football.

Yeah I am sure having Brady sign cap-friendly deals has absolutely nothing to do w it. You still need talent no matter how good of a coach you are.

tredadda · 07-04-2019, 07:10 PM

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Originally Posted by PAChiefsGuy

Yeah I am sure having Brady sign cap-friendly deals has absolutely nothing to do w it. You still need talent no matter how good of a coach you are.

Except Belechick gets far more out of lesser talent than most coaches. Who on last year’s defense could be considered truly elite? One player? Brady only did what he did because of the mo eat his wife made whether you want to acknowledge that fact or not.

Abba-Dabba · 07-04-2019, 07:24 PM

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Originally Posted by PAChiefsGuy

Do research. Brady has taken less than he could have made throughout his career.

https://www.businessinsider.com/tom-...argain-2018-7/

Just because you only care about money doesnt mean that is the #1 priority for every person in life. Brady wants to win way more than he wants to be the highest paid QB. It's pretty obvious. Hopefully Mahomes is the same way.

A few million saved in the grand scheme of things means nothing to the quality play on the field. You can use the exception as the rule all you want. Brady giving a few million discount is exactly that, and an exception to the rule. Let's not discount all the other factors in his status. The rule is simply this.make as much ****ing money as you can before father time catches up or tomfoolery from the organization decides to dump your ass for the younger, cheaper model. But is Brady really giving a discount? His cap hit is over 20 million a year.

Abba-Dabba · 07-04-2019, 07:26 PM

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Originally Posted by PAChiefsGuy

Do research. Brady has taken less than he could have made throughout his career.

https://www.businessinsider.com/tom-...argain-2018-7/

Just because you only care about money doesnt mean that is the #1 priority for every person in life. Brady wants to win way more than he wants to be the highest paid QB. It's pretty obvious. Hopefully Mahomes is the same way.

He still makes over 20 million in salary per year. Where is this large discount?

**jjchieffan** · 07-04-2019, 07:33 PM

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Originally Posted by RubberSponge

He still makes over 20 million in salary per year. Where is this large discount?

Are you serious?? Do you even pay attention to quarterback salaries?? $20 million us the kind of money that ElFraud pays to shitty quarterbacks like Flacco and Keesum. There are 17 quarterbacks that made more than Brady last year, with top deal being $35 million to Wilson. If you think that Brady couldn't have asked for and gotten $35 million your crazy. $20 million for the GOAT is a HUGE discount. And $15 million is a lot of extra money to build a better team with.

mr. tegu · 07-04-2019, 09:44 PM

I’m just surprised at how many people actually believe Brady is actually taking a discount.

mr. tegu · 07-04-2019, 09:56 PM

As for Mahomes, I doubt he sits around saying he needs as many good players as possible to win and that $10 million extra for the team each year will make the difference. He probably likes having good players recognizes their importance but like most top performers he probably believes he can overcome anything with his skills and he makes the difference more than some extra salary space.

But really none of that matters because it’s silly to minimize a difference of $100-200 million dollars. Who knows what he might want to do with that extra money. Maybe he will want to cement his legacy off the field through charity, medical research, or something else. Maybe he wants to buy an island and build a hotel. Maybe he wants to open a zoo and breed panda bears. Or maybe he just wants to provide generational wealth. Or all of the above. Either way he will earn the right to make those decisions and he shouldn’t give up any income from playing or even feel the slightest obligation to do so.

Chiefshrink · 07-04-2019, 10:04 PM

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Originally Posted by mr. tegu

I’m just surprised at how many people actually believe Brady is actually taking a discount.

I get your point because you know he will be compensated on the backside somehow after he retires.

07-03-2019, 01:03 PM
Lprechaun Veteran Join Date: Oct 2012 Casino cash: $5096268	Contract money vs legacy Since we do now have Mahomes, he will retire as a Chief, and with the upcoming contract for him (ungodly numbers) I got thinking about what he has shown so far and wondered if it could turn into a club friendly contract to ensure the ability to get more talent around him. Its really a money issue, what is enough and what is in the end just simply not needed. His agent doesnt jump at money, he is quirky but smart. He told Mahomes the money would show up and he needed to concentrate on the game. PM2 didnt come from a poor family living in squalor, I think legacy might mean more to him than a bigger NFL contract. As this team turns the page from the Pats as the team where players want to go we will have no shortage of team friendly contracts of players wanting a championship. OR is money that important and we just hope we can draft well enough to put a team around him? (He deserves every cent, I see him not taking it like others have just to have it.)
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mr. tegu Forever Royal Join Date: Mar 2012 Casino cash: $1701300	I’m just surprised at how many people actually believe Brady is actually taking a discount.
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07-04-2019, 09:56 PM	#89
mr. tegu Forever Royal Join Date: Mar 2012 Casino cash: $1701300	Contract money vs legacy As for Mahomes, I doubt he sits around saying he needs as many good players as possible to win and that $10 million extra for the team each year will make the difference. He probably likes having good players recognizes their importance but like most top performers he probably believes he can overcome anything with his skills and he makes the difference more than some extra salary space. But really none of that matters because it’s silly to minimize a difference of $100-200 million dollars. Who knows what he might want to do with that extra money. Maybe he will want to cement his legacy off the field through charity, medical research, or something else. Maybe he wants to buy an island and build a hotel. Maybe he wants to open a zoo and breed panda bears. Or maybe he just wants to provide generational wealth. Or all of the above. Either way he will earn the right to make those decisions and he shouldn’t give up any income from playing or even feel the slightest obligation to do so.
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