Anthony Lynn says Chargers are going back to Tyrod

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

If that's the case run the offense like Joe burrow. A ton of well executed short, makeable passes. Or the way the steelers kid gloved big Ben his rookie year. That I get. Herbert's floor is tyrod Taylor. So you get to develop a rookie and very good chance by seasons end you get a much better qb. Its odd to hitch your wagon to a 31 year old qb who built a mediocre career out of running the ball.

Cleveland made the qb change with tyrod and baker almost led them to an improbable playoff berth. They probably wish they could get those 2 gross weeks with tyrod back.

Herbert's floor is NOT Tyrod Taylor. Taylor may not have the flashy downfield stats but he owns a career TD-INT ratio of nearly THREE to 1.

Herbert's floor could easily be 1:3.

Turnovers are critically important in the NFL and Herbert already committed one that had a direct influence on a loss.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

Herbert's floor is NOT Tyrod Taylor. Taylor may not have the flashy downfield stats but he owns a career TD-INT ratio of nearly THREE to 1.

Herbert's floor could easily be 1:3.

Turnovers are critically important in the NFL and Herbert already committed one that had a direct influence on a loss.

I said this back when we had Smith - someone explain to me the difference between Tyrod Taylor and Alex Smith. They're the same damn guy.

The 2015 Chiefs after Charles went down are such a good analogue for that Chargers squad. A deep, talented secondary with a strong pass-rush and a dink/dunk offense led by a safe quarterback throwing to a technician of a WR (Maclin v. Allen) and an athletic TE (young Kelce vs. Henry).

The Chiefs used a backfield rotation of West/Ward (a poor man's Ekeler/Jackson) to complement their underneath passing and leaned into a strong defensive front to win 11 straight games, win a post-season game and at could've put a real scare into NE had Maclin been healthy and forced BB to be more honest in how he covered TK.

If you threw 2015 Alex Smith on the 2020 Chargers, they'd be a tough out. And in Tyrod Taylor that's almost exactly what you're doing. Moreover, Houston was hurt in 2015 and the Chiefs didn't have a Mike Williams. AND the Chargers RBs are quite a bit better than ours were. The Chargers almost certainly have more raw talent on both sides of the ball than the 2015 Chiefs had.

I just don't understand this idea that Herbert, who made two catastrophic rookie mistakes, is clearly going to be no worse than Taylor for the next several weeks. That's just not accurate. And by sitting him for a bit, you're not impacting his long-term development, especially in a season w/ a truncated off-season.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

I said this back when we had Smith - someone explain to me the difference between Tyrod Taylor and Alex Smith. They're the same damn guy.

The 2015 Chiefs after Charles went down are such a good analogue for that Chargers squad. A deep, talented secondary with a strong pass-rush and a dink/dunk offense led by a safe quarterback throwing to a technician of a WR (Maclin v. Allen) and an athletic TE (young Kelce vs. Henry).

The Chiefs used a backfield rotation of West/Ward (a poor man's Ekeler/Jackson) to complement their underneath passing and leaned into a strong defensive front to win 11 straight games, win a post-season game and at could've put a real scare into NE had Maclin been healthy and forced BB to be more honest in how he covered TK.

If you threw 2015 Alex Smith on the 2020 Chargers, they'd be a tough out. And in Tyrod Taylor that's almost exactly what you're doing.

I just don't understand this idea that Herbert, who made two catastrophic rookie mistakes, is clearly going to be no worse than Taylor for the next several weeks. That's just not accurate. And by sitting him for a bit, you're not impacting his long-term development, especially in a season w/ a truncated off-season.

I was cool with the decision to start Alex for one year. Alex is a way better QB than tyrod. Alex did actually give us an outside shot to win one, much as I was excited about Mahomes eventually taking over. It was respectful to Alex and made it easier to let him go. It took a ton of pressure off mahomes and Reid (Reid would have been crucified if mahomes wasn't nails from the get go). And in the end we ended up with great trade value. Theres quite a huge difference between replacing a franchise staple like Alex or Eli vs replacing a stopgap like Tyrod.

That's not even getting into mahomes being way more of a work in progress at the time.

The better example is the browns starting tyrod over baker a few years ago. They shouldn't have done that and arguably it could have costed them a playoff berth.

[dirk digler]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

I said this back when we had Smith - someone explain to me the difference between Tyrod Taylor and Alex Smith. They're the same damn guy.

The 2015 Chiefs after Charles went down are such a good analogue for that Chargers squad. A deep, talented secondary with a strong pass-rush and a dink/dunk offense led by a safe quarterback throwing to a technician of a WR (Maclin v. Allen) and an athletic TE (young Kelce vs. Henry).

The Chiefs used a backfield rotation of West/Ward (a poor man's Ekeler/Jackson) to complement their underneath passing and leaned into a strong defensive front to win 11 straight games, win a post-season game and at could've put a real scare into NE had Maclin been healthy and forced BB to be more honest in how he covered TK.

If you threw 2015 Alex Smith on the 2020 Chargers, they'd be a tough out. And in Tyrod Taylor that's almost exactly what you're doing. Moreover, Houston was hurt in 2015 and the Chiefs didn't have a Mike Williams. AND the Chargers RBs are quite a bit better than ours were. The Chargers almost certainly have more raw talent on both sides of the ball than the 2015 Chiefs had.

I just don't understand this idea that Herbert, who made two catastrophic rookie mistakes, is clearly going to be no worse than Taylor for the next several weeks. That's just not accurate. And by sitting him for a bit, you're not impacting his long-term development, especially in a season w/ a truncated off-season.

I was no fan of Alex but I would pick him 10 times out of 10 over Tyrod.

[Perineum Ripper]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

Herbert's floor is NOT Tyrod Taylor. Taylor may not have the flashy downfield stats but he owns a career TD-INT ratio of nearly THREE to 1.

Herbert's floor could easily be 1:3.

Turnovers are critically important in the NFL and Herbert already committed one that had a direct influence on a loss.

Well I know who could solve this problem and set us all straight. We have a member of this board who has stated, that he knows more than every head coach/gm. So we need to get Ublowjob or whatever his name is in here. He has stated he would take Veach to school on football knowledge.

[Shoes]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

Herbert's floor is NOT Tyrod Taylor. Taylor may not have the flashy downfield stats but he owns a career TD-INT ratio of nearly THREE to 1.

Herbert's floor could easily be 1:3.

Turnovers are critically important in the NFL and Herbert already committed one that had a direct influence on a loss.

Don't tout Tyrod's TD to INT ratio, gives me Alex Smith flashbacks.

I thought Herbert played well all things considered but there were only 2 throws that I was really impressed with (Keenan Allen over the middle in tight coverage + the TD to the back cone). Pretty pedestrian 300 yard game, majority of his throws were to the half backs and screen game. Big stat that I thought was extremely important was that the Chiefs defense didn't force any negative yardage plays until the 3rd quarter I believe. Our defense made it really easy for the Chargers to stay ahead of the chains and on schedule.

In regards to Herbert/Tyrod I would actually agree I think it is a little too early for Herbert. If the Bolts defense can consistently play like they did Sunday, they can win with either quarterback. Give Herbert some more time to marinate, I suspect the difference of QB play between Tyrod/Herbert isn't that large.

Now if Herbert comes out and starts again next Sunday and has another terrific performance, perhaps my mind changes.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by Shoes

Don't tout Tyrod's TD to INT ratio, gives me Alex Smith flashbacks.

I thought Herbert played well all things considered but there were only 2 throws that I was really impressed with (Keenan Allen over the middle in tight coverage + the TD to the back cone). Pretty pedestrian 300 yard game, majority of his throws were to the half backs and screen game. Big stat that I thought was extremely important was that the Chiefs defense didn't force any negative yardage plays until the 3rd quarter I believe. Our defense made it really easy for the Chargers to stay ahead of the chains and on schedule.

And that TD was a throw that Taylor would've made as well. Fenton just completely ate shit on that coverage. That was as easy a pitch/catch as you'll find in the NFL.

Like I said - he made one genuinely good throw on Sunday. That throw to Allen was the only toss he made that Taylor wouldn't/couldn't have made.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

Herbert's floor is NOT Tyrod Taylor. Taylor may not have the flashy downfield stats but he owns a career TD-INT ratio of nearly THREE to 1.

Herbert's floor could easily be 1:3.

Turnovers are critically important in the NFL and Herbert already committed one that had a direct influence on a loss.

As Alex Smith got older he became a much more judicious pocket passer. Take away his legs and Alex could still beat you. I don't see that with tyrod. As he gets older the holes in his game just get bigger. Maybe he's different than what I saw in Cleveland. But it seemed to me that without his legs he becomes an even dinkier and dunkier version of Alex Smith. What does he still have left at 31 considering so much of his already mediocre game is built around running. I guess we'll find out.

[JD10367]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

Herbert's floor is NOT Tyrod Taylor. Taylor may not have the flashy downfield stats but he owns a career TD-INT ratio of nearly THREE to 1.

Herbert's floor could easily be 1:3.

Turnovers are critically important in the NFL and Herbert already committed one that had a direct influence on a loss.

Taylor spent four seasons in Baltimore. In four seasons he appeared in 14 games and threw 2 picks.

Then he had three really good seasons in Buffalo. Played in 44 out of 48 games, threw 51 touchdowns to only 16 picks, had QB ratings of 99, 89, and 89.

Then one year in Cleveland. 4 games, 2 TDs, 2 picks.

One year with the Chargers. 8 games. 1 TD.

This year. One game.

So was his great production in Buffalo him, or the team around him? Who knows. Maybe he's good. Maybe he's not. The three years with amazing stats in Buffalo, the team was still literally average (8-8, 7-9, 9-7). So clearly despite the numbers he's not a real difference-maker.

Is Herbert? Again, too soon to tell. Yes, he looked like a rookie. But facts are facts. He went 22/33 for 311 yards, 1 TD and 1 pick, and a 94 rating against the defending champs. Is DeShaun Watson a much better, highly touted QB? Against the Chiefs, he had 253 yards, 1/1, and an 84 rating. Is Lamar Jackson a much better, highly touted QB? Against the Chiefs, he had 267 yards and a 70 rating.

[JohnnyHammersticks]

Great move Anthony Lynn!!!

[Sassy Squatch]

Lynn and Desmond King are in a bit of a Twitter spat now.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by Superturtle

Lynn and Desmond King are in a bit of a Twitter spat now.

Yeah - Kings a pending UFA who's one year removed from a Pro Bowl.

Not terribly surprising that he's not pleased about not really being in the Chargers DB rotation.

They should probably see if they can coax a 3rd out of someone. A 4th is more likely. I'd probably hold him if the best they can do is a 5.

But he has value and if he's not playing, he'll be justifiably pissed off about the loss of earning potential and that could be a problem, especially for a team built around it's defense.

Hell, I'd like to have him. Not sure I'd give up a 4 for a pending FA when we've already gotten through 2 of our 4 Breeland suspension games and he probably won't be up to speed in this D until around week 6-8. The Chargers should've probably made a move in the off-season.

[RunKC]

I actually agree with this move. Herbert didn’t have OTA’s, he didn’t have real practices and he never took a single snap under center at Oregon per Nantz on the broadcast.

I get it. He looked good. But most of that was our own goddamn doing. Hitchens blowing the RB assignment by almost 35 yards, Thornhill missing an easy INT. We also didn’t know he was playing so we had zero prep or knowledge about the kid. Truthfully the kid got lucky.

They have to seriously dumb down the playbook for him bc he has very little experience or knowledge. If this was a normal year, then year I’d say do it, but he’s still very green mentally.

I would try to stretch this out til about mid season. Give Herbert more time to learn the playbook.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by RunKC

I actually agree with this move. Herbert didn’t have OTA’s, he didn’t have real practices and he never took a single snap under center at Oregon per Nantz on the broadcast.

I get it. He looked good. But most of that was our own goddamn doing. Hitchens blowing the RB assignment by almost 35 yards, Thornhill missing an easy INT. We also didn’t know he was playing so we had zero prep or knowledge about the kid. Truthfully the kid got lucky.

They have to seriously dumb down the playbook for him bc he has very little experience or knowledge. If this was a normal year, then year I’d say do it, but he’s still very green mentally.

I would try to stretch this out til about mid season. Give Herbert more time to learn the playbook.

That's a fair point. The OTAs no, but maybe drilling into him running outside of the shotgun makes sense

[chiefzilla1501]

I wonder how much of this is driven by Anthony Lynn wanting to keep his job. Roll with tyrod, then get a late season surge when you're forced to roll with herbert. Then tell your front office you didn't make the playoffs but finished the season on a high note. We've seen this movie many times before. Many thought hue Jackson started tyrod over hue to save his job too.