Chiefs Oops! Why Tyrod Taylor didn’t play - Page 6

frozenchief · 09-23-2020, 09:47 AM

This is embarrassing. Wonder if LAC gets a new doctor.

The Chargers’ team doctor accidentally punctured his own quarterback Tyrod Taylor’s lung just before kickoff Sunday while trying to administer a pain-killing injection to the quarterback’s cracked ribs, league and team sources told ESPN.
— Adam Schefter (@AdamSchefter) September 23, 2020

pugsnotdrugs19 · 09-23-2020, 11:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Detoxing

Here's every completion, feel free to show me all these plays where he didn't give his guys a shot to create YAC. Go ahead, chart them out for me.

And yeah, he did have some "wow" throws. The throw to the corner of the end zone was an excellent throw that was on the money, open or not. Shitty QB's miss that throw all the time.

And the throw to (Ekeler?) down the sideline was an excellent throw.

The throw to Keenan Allen, over the defenders arm while getting hit, that wasn't a great throw?

GMAFB.

This is just CP hating on any QB not named Mahomes, like always.

The Ekeler play, really? That should’ve been picked off if Thornhill just turns around.

The TD pass is solid but he’s just throwing to a spot. Fenton has no chance if he just hit the general back corner, and he did. Good, but the receiver was wide open.

I’ll give you the throw to Allen over the middle. Best one.

He misplaced the ball to Allen on the sideline where Sneed seems to have slipped up, otherwise he might pick that ball.

Everything else is pretty much checkdowns, screens, quick game where the receivers tack on extra yardage due to poor tackling. And this is just his completion reel.

I stand by my OP. There is no way based off of that one game to say that he’s the answer for them already for 10-15 years.

suzzer99 · 09-23-2020, 11:10 AM

Hebert looked good. But that doesn't seem uncommon with young QBs when the team has had zero preparation or film on them (Lock, Minshew). Have to see how he looks after teams have some film and figure out what slows him down.

On the one hand you wonder what Lynn is thinking insisting that Tyrod still play. But on the other hand, sitting a year does seem to really help.

ToxSocks · 09-23-2020, 11:12 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

I most certainly did not. Just stop.

Russell Wilson
Patrick Mahomes
Aaron Rodgers
Lamar Jackson

drop-off

Kyler Murray
Cam Newton
Josh Allen
Gardner Minshew

drop-off

Dak Prescott
Derek Carr

I really hate those young QB's don't I?

Aaron Rodgers, Russel Wilson and Cam Newton aren't young.

And you'll give credit to Derek Carr and Gardner Minshew as top 10 QB's but yet you can't see Deshaun Watson or Carson Wentz's ability?

You'll put Josh Allen as your 7th best QB but then say the jury is still out on him? C'mon man.

That's what im talking about, what's the standard here for Herbert? Is Josh Allen the standard? Your 7th best QB?

Is Derek Carr the standard? Because Herbert displayed more physical ability than Carr ever has, in 1 game alone.

If Herbert ends up, by the end of the year, being in the 15-10 range, then he was a success.

No one expects him to be Mahomes/Wilson/Rodgers, nor do the Chargers need him to be.

Eureka · 09-23-2020, 11:12 AM

I think the big thing about the Chargers is Herbert played well enough to continue playing.

Give Herbert some first team reps and see what the kid can do next week. The other option is to give Taylor another chance and see if he can put a winning streak together as he seems taylor made for that team or at least fits what they are trying to do. Maybe, the Chargers win last week if Taylor was in there.

Deberg_1990 · 09-23-2020, 11:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

Darnold still shows promise for the awful spot he's in, I feel bad for that guy. Josh Allen is still the same guy,he shows moments of greatness but he's inconsistent and does wild shit. I think he's gotten better and worked hard to improve but I still don't think he'll ever be consistent enough to be a true elite QB. I do think he could get hot and have Joe Flacco type player run one year though.

Darnold will probably end up like Alex Smith. Where he gets better 5-10 years down the road with a stable organization and head coach.

ToxSocks · 09-23-2020, 11:13 AM

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Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19

Everything else is pretty much checkdowns, screens, quick game where the receivers tack on extra yardage due to poor tackling. And this is just his completion reel.

You mean, an NFL offense?

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Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19

I stand by my OP. There is no way based off of that one game to say that he’s the answer for them already for 10-15 years.

Well that's a no shit, my argument is that there's a lot to like about his debut, and very little reason to hate. He didn't do anything that should cause doubt.

ToxSocks · 09-23-2020, 11:15 AM

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Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19

The Ekeler play, really? That should’ve been picked off if Thornhill just turns around.

Woulda, shoulda coulda. Great throws are made every week that, "If the defender did this..."

That's a shit excuse. The defender didn't, and Herbert put it in a place where his receiver could make the catch. The only other location he coulda put that ball was on the back shoulder.

Mecca · 09-23-2020, 11:15 AM

Wentz isn't in any of these arguments, Eagles fans are tired of him. He's always hurt and he fumbles constantly.

Carson Wentz through 2 weeks:
- Passer grade 42.7 (worst in league)
- Sacked 8 times (worst in league)
- 4 INTs (tied worst with Cousins)
- 64.4 passer rating (4th worst)
- 13 poor throws (2nd worst in league)
- 32.9 % on target throws (tied 6th worst)

In 5 seasons Carson Wentz has 0 playoff wins, 50 fumbles. He is 7-20 vs teams over 500.

smithandrew051 · 09-23-2020, 11:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

Wentz isn't in any of these arguments, Eagles fans are tired of him. He's always hurt and he fumbles constantly.

Carson Wentz through 2 weeks:
- Passer grade 42.7 (worst in league)
- Sacked 8 times (worst in league)
- 4 INTs (tied worst with Cousins)
- 64.4 passer rating (4th worst)
- 13 poor throws (2nd worst in league)
- 32.9 % on target throws (tied 6th worst)

In 5 seasons Carson Wentz has 0 playoff wins, 50 fumbles. He is 7-20 vs teams over 500.

I had to double check that fumble stat. Holy shit.

ToxSocks · 09-23-2020, 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

At any rate, I'm done with this argument. Detoxing is obviously passionate about this. I'm not.

I don't actually ****ing care.

Herbert looked just fine in his debut. He wasn't impressive by any meaning of the word.

We'll see where it goes from here.

The only thing i'm passionate about here is evaluating players fairly.

Division rival players almost never get a fair shake on this board, and QB's most certainly don't ever since Mahomes.

I'm still trying to get an answer to my original question of, "What did he do wrong?"

My statement is simple: He did a lot of things really well, and 1 or two things wrong. He showed great tools and looks promising until proven otherwise. He didn't do anything in that game to suggest he's a bad player.

And i would not be surprised at all to see him light up the lowely Panthers.

crispystl · 09-23-2020, 11:21 AM

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Originally Posted by frozenchief

This is embarrassing. Wonder if LAC gets a new doctor.

The Chargers’ team doctor accidentally punctured his own quarterback Tyrod Taylor’s lung just before kickoff Sunday while trying to administer a pain-killing injection to the quarterback’s cracked ribs, league and team sources told ESPN.
— Adam Schefter (@AdamSchefter) September 23, 2020

Who's more accurate? Tyrod or the Doctor?

Trick question....we all know it's FREAKING BUTTKICKER!!

Mecca · 09-23-2020, 11:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Detoxing

The only thing i'm passionate about here is evaluating players fairly.

Division rival players almost never get a fair shake on this board, and QB's most certainly don't ever since Mahomes.

I'm still trying to get an answer to my original question of, "What did he do wrong?"

My statement is simple: He did a lot of things really well, and 1 or two things wrong. He showed great tools and looks promising until proven otherwise. He didn't do anything in that game to suggest he's a bad player.

And i would not be surprised at all to see him light up the lowely Panthers.

Herbert is one of those guys who will show greatness then look like complete ass, he did it constantly in college.

staylor26 · 09-23-2020, 11:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

Herbert is one of those guys who will show greatness then look like complete ass, he did it constantly in college.

Exactly! This is why I’m going to trust my evaluation of him and be patient.

pugsnotdrugs19 · 09-23-2020, 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Detoxing

Woulda, shoulda coulda. Great throws are made every week that, "If the defender did this..."

That's a shit excuse. The defender didn't, and Herbert put it in a place where his receiver could make the catch. The only other location he coulda put that ball was on the back shoulder.

.... which is where it should have went. It wasn’t a good throw.

Bl00dyBizkitz · 09-23-2020, 11:28 AM

Probably the best thing that could happen to the Chargers, now they know they've got something in Herbert.

Sucks that he won't get playing time cause his Head Coach is a dumbass.

09-23-2020, 09:47 AM
frozenchief Cynical Misanthrope Join Date: Apr 2013 Location: Alaska Casino cash: $-1810000	Oops! Why Tyrod Taylor didn’t play This is embarrassing. Wonder if LAC gets a new doctor. The Chargers’ team doctor accidentally punctured his own quarterback Tyrod Taylor’s lung just before kickoff Sunday while trying to administer a pain-killing injection to the quarterback’s cracked ribs, league and team sources told ESPN. — Adam Schefter (@AdamSchefter) September 23, 2020
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09-23-2020, 11:10 AM	#77
suzzer99 In Search of a Life Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: L.A. Casino cash: $-865716	Hebert looked good. But that doesn't seem uncommon with young QBs when the team has had zero preparation or film on them (Lock, Minshew). Have to see how he looks after teams have some film and figure out what slows him down. On the one hand you wonder what Lynn is thinking insisting that Tyrod still play. But on the other hand, sitting a year does seem to really help.
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09-23-2020, 11:12 AM	#79
Eureka C Chiefs once a year! Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: Cali Casino cash: $-1353903	I think the big thing about the Chargers is Herbert played well enough to continue playing. Give Herbert some first team reps and see what the kid can do next week. The other option is to give Taylor another chance and see if he can put a winning streak together as he seems taylor made for that team or at least fits what they are trying to do. Maybe, the Chargers win last week if Taylor was in there.
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09-23-2020, 11:15 AM	#83
Mecca Hockey Town Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Kansas City, Missouri Casino cash: $-782950	Wentz isn't in any of these arguments, Eagles fans are tired of him. He's always hurt and he fumbles constantly. Carson Wentz through 2 weeks: - Passer grade 42.7 (worst in league) - Sacked 8 times (worst in league) - 4 INTs (tied worst with Cousins) - 64.4 passer rating (4th worst) - 13 poor throws (2nd worst in league) - 32.9 % on target throws (tied 6th worst) In 5 seasons Carson Wentz has 0 playoff wins, 50 fumbles. He is 7-20 vs teams over 500.
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09-23-2020, 11:28 AM	#90
Bl00dyBizkitz Veteran Join Date: Nov 2013 Casino cash: $-1041581	Probably the best thing that could happen to the Chargers, now they know they've got something in Herbert. Sucks that he won't get playing time cause his Head Coach is a dumbass.
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