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2bikemike · 07-11-2022, 03:06 PM

Saw this real world test.. I never thought about accessibility of charging stations while towing. I never doubted the failure of range.

https://autos.yahoo.com/ford-lightni...201500269.html

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We’ve seen other automotive media outlets do their own tests between electric and traditional pickup trucks recently, but they’re mostly disappointing. After all, we firmly believe trucks weren’t just made to look cool while you cruise around town. Yet these tests have focused on drag races, 0-60 acceleration, and other nonsense. You buy a truck primarily to do truck things: towing and hauling.

We’ve seen other automotive media outlets do their own tests between electric and traditional pickup trucks recently, but they’re mostly disappointing. After all, we firmly believe trucks weren’t just made to look cool while you cruise around town. Yet these tests have focused on drag races, 0-60 acceleration, and other nonsense. You buy a truck primarily to do truck things: towing and hauling.

Fortunately, The Fast Lane Truck gets that, so they decided to hitch an empty car carrier to a new GMC Sierra Denali Ultimate Edition and a Ford F-150 Lightning to see how they handled towing a load over long distances. The results were incredibly revealing, exposing one of the biggest doubts we’ve had about all-electric trucks and their real-world usefulness for doing truck things.

The whole point was to see which would happen first: the Sierra runs out of fuel or the Lightning’s batteries go dead. Now, we’ve known far too many EV enthusiasts who get all smug about range anxiety and how people need to just calm down because nobody needs the ranges they think they do. Well, that’s true if you only drive in the city and mostly commute. However, there are people who go out on the open road, hauling trailers in the wide open Western US where distances between cities often exceeds what your electric car can do on a single charge.

But Ford has been boasting about how with the larger chassis in the F-150 Lightning, it has that much more juice so you can really go out there and not have to worry about running the battery dry. Well, The Fast Lane Truck debunked that claim, at least when towing a trailer is involved. The Ford truck didn’t make it the 282 miles the onboard computer estimated, a figure which was adjusted to 160 miles once the driver provided the trailer specs. The plan was to go to a charging station 147 miles away, but as the batteries depleted more rapidly than expected, a destination 45 miles closer was chosen. However, the Lightning couldn’t even make it the 102 miles pulling the trailer, so the driver had to turn around and head back to a nearer charging station, arriving with 9 percent charge left.

With a 24-gallon tank in the Sierra, it had a much longer range. Like with the Ford, the computer estimates range with the trailer specs, pegging it at 264 miles. Unlike with the Lightning, the GMC did just fine on range, although when its rival turned around it just headed back to the starting point without stopping to refuel.

Another important problem with all-electric trucks, one we admittedly didn’t even think about, was exposed during this test. Charging one with a trailer hitched up isn’t exactly easy since most public chargers are set up in a regular parking stall. The Fast Lane Truck had to park the truck and trailer across multiple charging station spots to plug in the Ford Lightning. Perhaps having pull-through chargers like how gas pumps are set up would be a good idea in more places?

This test exposes the fact that EV technology isn’t ready to fully replace internal combustion engines, no matter how badly EV advocates want to see that happen rapidly. While the tech has come a long way, it still has a lot further to go.

**Lzen** · 07-15-2022, 02:02 PM

Chief Pagan · 07-15-2022, 03:16 PM

Can our grid handle heat waves without asking residents and businesses to cut back on electrical use?

The country needs more investment.

**DaFace** · 07-15-2022, 03:55 PM

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Fascinating, that was interesting to see it all laid out like that. Clearly there are issues, but in theory they should be surmountable, especially given how slow the adoption curve likely will be.

On a random note, we switched to Time of Use pricing a year or so ago for some of the reasons he mentioned. The electric company doesn't want people charging in the summer afternoons because of all of air conditioners in use, so they give a huge discount for charging at night. Works out great for me, and I bet we'll see more and more of that over time.

(Weird video format, though. I'm not sure I could safely drive through those windy areas without being too distracted by the numbers he was spouting.)

Kopinto · 02-14-2023, 12:19 PM

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I believe that thanks to salvage car auctions like abetter.bid people will still own gas cars for a long time, my opinion.

If gas cars are banned then I guess that EV owners will face a number of challenges of which grid is not the main one, I suppose.

frozenchief · 03-28-2023, 01:30 PM

Electric Vehicles are the Yugo of the 21st Century:

https://issuesinsights.com/2023/03/2...-21st-century/

Biggest reason for this conclusion: They cost way too much to repair. Because of how the batteries are constructed, there is no cheap way to fix them so they must be replaced. Thus, even a low-mileage EV with a damaged battery is totaled.

Pablo · 03-28-2023, 01:35 PM

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Originally Posted by frozenchief

Electric Vehicles are the Yugo of the 21st Century:

https://issuesinsights.com/2023/03/2...-21st-century/

Biggest reason for this conclusion: They cost way too much to repair. Because of how the batteries are constructed, there is no cheap way to fix them so they must be replaced. Thus, even a low-mileage EV with a damaged battery is totaled.

That website popped up some Google is silencing conservative voices! disclaimer so I didn’t read. Thanks for the synopsis

frozenchief · 03-28-2023, 01:48 PM

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That website popped up some Google is silencing conservative voices! disclaimer so I didn’t read. Thanks for the synopsis

Didn't pop up for me. Got the link from Instapundit, who, while definitely right-leaning, is generally pretty level-headed and not prone to wild conspiracy theories. Thanks for the heads up. I try to not post from sites that are over-the-top.

BWillie · 03-28-2023, 01:49 PM

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Originally Posted by frozenchief

Electric Vehicles are the Yugo of the 21st Century:

https://issuesinsights.com/2023/03/2...-21st-century/

Biggest reason for this conclusion: They cost way too much to repair. Because of how the batteries are constructed, there is no cheap way to fix them so they must be replaced. Thus, even a low-mileage EV with a damaged battery is totaled.

My Tesla has been the cheapest car to own Ive ever had. Had it for like 5 years now.

**DaFace** · 03-28-2023, 02:22 PM

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My Tesla has been the cheapest car to own Ive ever had. Had it for like 5 years now.

No kidding - that article makes absolutely zero sense. If we were making decisions about car technology based on how likely it is they would be totaled in an accident, we'd all be driving 1970s F150s.

**HemiEd** · 12-01-2023, 07:58 AM

Detroit's Electric Road

The city of Detroit opened the country's first road capable of wirelessly charging

electric vehicles as they drive this week, a key step toward wider adoption of the technology. The quarter-mile demonstration project is meant to show the feasibility of wireless charging as a supplement to an eventual nationwide charging network for electric vehicles.

The technology relies on magnetic resonance induction, similar to wireless charging for cellphones and other devices (and discovered by Nikola Tesla). Effectively, large copper coils placed under the road create a magnetic field, which induces an electric current in a receiver in the car as it drives through, thereby charging the battery (watch 101). The process is not harmful to humans.

In the demonstration, the charging rate reportedly reached as high as 19 kW, a small percentage of the stored energy needed to power an average electric vehicle during regular use.

Analysts say the enhanced roads may help address "range anxiety"—a concern of potential consumers worried electric vehicles can only travel limited distances.

**notorious** · 12-01-2023, 08:34 AM

How much will that cost to construct?

BEAVER · 12-01-2023, 12:55 PM

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How much will that cost to construct?

Doesn't really matter - paid for by tax dollars I'm sure - so it is free!!

Wooohoooo - Free Stuff!

**HemiEd** · 12-01-2023, 01:02 PM

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How much will that cost to construct?

I can't even imagine.

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Originally Posted by BEAVER

Doesn't really matter - paid for by tax dollars I'm sure - so it is free!!

Wooohoooo - Free Stuff!

Yep, for sure. And how are they going to tax these EVs since they don't pay the fuel tax?

**DaFace** · 12-01-2023, 01:12 PM

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I can't even imagine.

Yep, for sure. And how are they going to tax these EVs since they don't pay the fuel tax?

Many states charge extra on your property taxes. I pay an extra $50/year.

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HemiEd Supporter Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Ozarks Casino cash: $-499436	Range Anxiety Detroit's Electric Road The city of Detroit opened the country's first road capable of wirelessly charging electric vehicles as they drive this week, a key step toward wider adoption of the technology. The quarter-mile demonstration project is meant to show the feasibility of wireless charging as a supplement to an eventual nationwide charging network for electric vehicles. The technology relies on magnetic resonance induction, similar to wireless charging for cellphones and other devices (and discovered by Nikola Tesla). Effectively, large copper coils placed under the road create a magnetic field, which induces an electric current in a receiver in the car as it drives through, thereby charging the battery (watch 101). The process is not harmful to humans. In the demonstration, the charging rate reportedly reached as high as 19 kW, a small percentage of the stored energy needed to power an average electric vehicle during regular use. Analysts say the enhanced roads may help address "range anxiety"—a concern of potential consumers worried electric vehicles can only travel limited distances.
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