Jalen Hurts gets paid

[RunKC]

Eagles and Jalen Hurts reached agreement on a five-year, $255 million extension, including $179.304 million guaranteed, per source.

Hurts becomes the highest-paid player in NFL history in a deal negotiated by Nicole Lynn of Klutch Sports Group and Eagles’ GM Howie Roseman. pic.twitter.com/DXG0ZWzsGJ

— Adam Schefter (@AdamSchefter) April 17, 2023

[Stryker]

Originally Posted by Gravedigger

I'm okay with the Eagles not being able to pay Devonta Smith or having to release AJ Brown down the line.

Or the O-Line getting blown up as well!

[DRM08]

Originally Posted by Red Dawg

Goodbye SB dreams Eagle fans. Hurts go the big money and now you will need to him do more with less and he won't. He's not that guy. We have the only guy that can.

I wonder if they will use void years to deflate the salary cap numbers. Cowboys, Packers, and other teams have been doing this recently.

[cmh6476]

Best qb in the nfc by far

[ChiefBlueCFC]

Originally Posted by DRM08

I’m in favor of the Ravens having a strong enough team to give the Bengals a very tough time. I want that entire AFC North to make things very difficult on Cincy.

Definitely wasn’t even considering anything else and how that situation would impact other teams lol. I agree with that sentiment 100%

But from a pure drama standpoint, it would be fun. What I really want is Burrow to want the sun and the moon and the bengals to give it to him

[Megatron96]

Just curious, but we don't have the details about this deal, right? So we can't really say how team-friendly this contract is yet?

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by Megatron96

Just curious, but we don't have the details about this deal, right? So we can't really say how team-friendly this contract is yet?

No details but if 70% of it is guaranteed at signing and it's only a 5 year deal, it can't be SUPER team friendly; there's just not that much room for wiggle.

The question comes down to what type of guarantees. Sometimes mere injury guarantees get reported at the beginning when in actuality an injury that simply makes the guy less productive wouldn't be enough to trigger them. It may be that year 4 is guaranteed for injury and year 5 has no guarantees and both years have substantial base salaries.

In which case it COULD be pretty team friendly. But as presently reported, there's just not many ways to make that a very team friendly deal. In fact, it could be a cap nightmare as early as year 3 if you presume they have a relatively low year 1 hit as most do.

[Megatron96]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

No details but if 70% of it is guaranteed at signing and it's only a 5 year deal, it can't be SUPER team friendly; there's just not that much room for wiggle.

The question comes down to what type of guarantees. Sometimes mere injury guarantees get reported at the beginning when in actuality an injury that simply makes the guy less productive wouldn't be enough to trigger them. It may be that year 4 is guaranteed for injury and year 5 has no guarantees and both years have substantial base salaries.

In which case it COULD be pretty team friendly. But as presently reported, there's just not many ways to make that a very team friendly deal. In fact, it could be a cap nightmare as early as year 3 if you presume they have a relatively low year 1 hit as most do.

Cool, thx. That makes a lot of sense to me.

[DRM08]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

No details but if 70% of it is guaranteed at signing and it's only a 5 year deal, it can't be SUPER team friendly; there's just not that much room for wiggle.

The question comes down to what type of guarantees. Sometimes mere injury guarantees get reported at the beginning when in actuality an injury that simply makes the guy less productive wouldn't be enough to trigger them. It may be that year 4 is guaranteed for injury and year 5 has no guarantees and both years have substantial base salaries.

In which case it COULD be pretty team friendly. But as presently reported, there's just not many ways to make that a very team friendly deal. In fact, it could be a cap nightmare as early as year 3 if you presume they have a relatively low year 1 hit as most do.

Void years is the new trick. Cowboys are doing that to cheat the cap as much as possible. Won’t be surprised if Philly does the same thing.

[DJ's left nut]

I mean let's say they've put a $65 million year 5 base and the year 4 guarantee is partial.

Figure 40% of the guarantees are in signing bonus? So...$70 million signing bonus (14 million/yr pro-rated over 5)? So now you need to guarantee another $110 million over 4 years, right? Plus $70 million in non-guaranteed likely via a big year 5 hit and a little non-guaranteed money in year 4.

And year 1 is going to probably be lower. So let's give him a $10 million base in year 1 (2024). Now you need to get another $100 million over the next 3 seasons plus another $10 million in non-guaranteed money presumptively in season 4.

10-25-35-50-65? Plus $14 million/season in pro-rated signing bonus.

So cap hits:

Year 1: $24 million
2: $39 million
3: $49 million
4: $64 million
5: Who cares?

Now it won't be structured like this because that's just not how teams do it anymore. They like that guaranteed option bonus structure that I think has something to do with cash flow. I don't really know why they do it but they typically do.

But in either event, how can you really move those numbers around much to hit a $180 million guarantee in the first 4 years and still have it be team friendly?

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by DRM08

Void years is the new trick. Cowboys are doing that to cheat the cap as much as possible. Won’t be surprised if Philly does the same thing.

But with a QB contract? Yikes, man - that's playing with fire. Those numbers will be soooooooo biiiiiiiig that you're really over a barrel if/when it comes time to re-do that deal.

Voidable years are hinky but understandable when dealing with a player who's probably not going to be around anyway when those void years get there; they'll have aged out.

But if you're the Eagles, you don't really want to have yourself in a bargaining position where you're about to take a zillion dollar dead money hit if you can't get a deal re-worked for the QB you want to keep around for another few years. Because man, that's a good way to get cornholed at the table (as Rodgers has done to GB repeatedly; Brees wasn't kind to NOLA either).

I just think that's a pretty awful idea.

[Sassy Squatch]

Lol Lamar

Side-by-side comparison of Jalen Hurts’ deal with the Eagles and the Ravens’ offer to Lamar Jackson last September (per @AdamSchefter)

TOTAL VALUE
JH: $255M
LJ: $250M

FULL GTD AT SIGNING
JH: $110M
LJ: $133M

TOTAL GTD
JH: $179.3M
LJ: $200M

— Sarah Ellison (@sgellison) 28692228?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 17, 2023

[DJ's left nut]

Jackson saving Baltimore from themselves last year definitely bums me out...

[DRM08]

Originally Posted by Superturtle

Lol Lamar

Side-by-side comparison of Jalen Hurts’ deal with the Eagles and the Ravens’ offer to Lamar Jackson last September (per @AdamSchefter)

TOTAL VALUE
JH: $255M
LJ: $250M

FULL GTD AT SIGNING
JH: $110M
LJ: $133M

TOTAL GTD
JH: $179.3M
LJ: $200M

— Sarah Ellison (@sgellison) 28692228?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 17, 2023

Lamar is a moron. Sheesh

[Gary Cooper]

One good season and he gets that contract?

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by Superturtle

Lol Lamar

Side-by-side comparison of Jalen Hurts’ deal with the Eagles and the Ravens’ offer to Lamar Jackson last September (per @AdamSchefter)

TOTAL VALUE
JH: $255M
LJ: $250M

FULL GTD AT SIGNING
JH: $110M
LJ: $133M

TOTAL GTD
JH: $179.3M
LJ: $200M

— Sarah Ellison (@sgellison) 28692228?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 17, 2023

Yup, and man, if that’s what Baltimore offered Lamar the eagles gotta feel good about what they got.

Unlike Lamar, hurts has proven to be a leader
He’s won big games
And maybe I’m wrong but have we seen Lamar improve any aspect of his game? He’s only proven to become more injury prone and his running will regress while not really improving. Hurts has really gotten better as a passer and good chance he’ll continue to.
And maybe unfair to say, but it sure felt like Lamar held out of the playoffs so he didn’t hurt his contract negotiation. Considering our guy was screaming to get back on a high ankle sprain

I’m sure somebody will take Lamar because he’ll put butts in seats. Would be a fun ride while you get him. But man i wouldn’t put much faith in that team contending.