Orlovsky on Toney

[LagunaSWana]

Proves to me that Toney is dumber than we thought he was, and that is no easy feat...

https://twitter.com/danorlovsky7/sta...27971618369895

[digger]

Originally Posted by A Salt Weapon

Also a play or two before this our receiver got absolutely mauled by the defender before the ball got there, he still caught it (CEH maybe) but no flag for that one. Happened all game. The officiating is clearly biased against us.

Was Rice...

[dtrain]

Originally Posted by Papi

I'm not a Toney supporter but the vitriol so many people are spewing at the dude is excessive. Especially when you take into account Orlovsky's evidence that he did it all game with no warnings or penalties. Former players have said they try and get as close as possible to the ball for an edge and that's all he was doing here.. with every indication that it had been fine all game.

It's Taylor first game of the year he lined up off the line and started early and nothing was called. Then the next game after Collinsworth ran his pie hole constantly about it the next game he was flagged early and often. If the refs aren't calling it why would the player change what they are doing?

[cdcox]

Originally Posted by Papi

That one play is magnified because of the circumstances and it sucks but offense as a whole didn't get it done on plenty of other possessions. I get the anger but I just see plenty of other issues on offense besides one play.

Almost every one-score game in the NFL can be turned on a single play, so I’m not buying the idea we give the refs a free pass just because the offense missed other opportunities. Especially when officiating is atrocious throughout the entire game. It’s too easy to forget last week that before the no call on PI, there was a questionable holding call on a first down scramble near the goal line.

[synthesis2]

Originally Posted by cdcox

Almost every one-score game in the NFL can be turned on a single play, so I’m not buying the idea we give the refs a free pass just because the offense missed other opportunities. Especially when officiating is atrocious throughout the entire game. It’s too easy to forget last week that before the no call on PI, there was a questionable holding call on a first down scramble near the goal line.

Again, I don’t like Tony as much as the next person but the fact that he did that all game and was lined up offsides at the same point the entire game in the refs never warned him or warned Andy Reed, and then decided to throw the flag with one minute left was absolute BS. If it was the first time that game he had done it or Something along those lines I get it but not when he does it all game and there’s no warning given and they decide to throw it at the end of the game to basically decide the outcome. That’s ridiculous.

[Lzen]

Originally Posted by InChiefsHeaven

I do think though, that if it happened multiple times in the game, why was he never warned, and why didn't they flag him for it earlier? One would hope that if he got nailed for it earlier in the game, he would make it a point not to do that again.

But, he's a grown ass man who's been playing football all his life...he should know better. But yeah, the fact that he did it multiple times without a flag is kinda bullshit too.

This is true. I also wonder why nobody on the Chiefs coaching staff noticed this all game. And surely this is not the first time he's done this. And why is nobody on the coaching staff making certain that he checks with the officials every time?

[rocknrolla]

Originally Posted by AdolfOliverBush

Jesus H. Christ, just move 4 inches back without having to be told to. This isn't rocket science.

Really, is there a significant advantage 6-12" you get? Was it worth all this horse shit??? For **** sake????

[wachashi]

Originally Posted by rocknrolla

Really, is there a significant advantage 6-12" you get? Was it worth all this horse shit??? For **** sake????

There's zero advantage to a wide receiver lining up less than a yard offside. That's why it typically comes with a warning. It's inconsequential.

We got bent over by the refs. It's ok to admit that. It happens.

[scho63]

Originally Posted by AdolfOliverBush

Jesus H. Christ, just move 4 inches back without having to be told to. This isn't rocket science.

He was a lot further past the line than 4 inches.

[DaFace]

Originally Posted by scho63

He was a lot further past the line than 4 inches.

No, not really.



Everyone's been kind of gaslit into believing that because they've been looking at the views after Creed pulled the ball back to set up for the snap.

[irafreak]

Originally Posted by cdcox

Almost every one-score game in the NFL can be turned on a single play, so I’m not buying the idea we give the refs a free pass just because the offense missed other opportunities. Especially when officiating is atrocious throughout the entire game. It’s too easy to forget last week that before the no call on PI, there was a questionable holding call on a first down scramble near the goal line.

This all day, every day. Everyone says don't let it come down to the refs but it's the nfl. These teams are so close to each other in talent that one poor call can change an outcome.

I still don't like blaming one call though because no team plays a perfect game. But we can't dismiss poor officiating especially lopsided and inconsistent officiating.

[irafreak]

Originally Posted by DaFace

No, not really.



Everyone's been kind of gaslit into believing that because they've been looking at the views after Creed pulled the ball back to set up for the snap.

Also this. The line of scrimmage is the 49. Not the 48 and 3/4 where creed has the ball.

[DrunkBassGuitar]

Originally Posted by DaFace

No, not really.



Everyone's been kind of gaslit into believing that because they've been looking at the views after Creed pulled the ball back to set up for the snap.

I've totally changed my opinion on this based on what Orlovsky showed and what I saw last night. Toney did nothing wrong and Reid and Mahomes were right to tear into the dogshit officiating. This either shouldn't have been called or it should have been warned and then called in the first quarter.

[wachashi]

Originally Posted by DaFace

No, not really.



Everyone's been kind of gaslit into believing that because they've been looking at the views after Creed pulled the ball back to set up for the snap.

Exactly. You cannot make that call without a warning, especially when it's been happening all game. Just can't do it.

Is there an advantage to offensive linemen lining up a bit past the line of scrimmage on a goalline play? Yeah, absolutely. But for a wide receiver in the slot? At midfield? On 2nd and 10? Get real. That's why they give warnings.

Lots of Chiefs fans seem to think they have to turn their man card in if they bitch about refs. It's a weird badge of honor for some.

[suzzer99]

Originally Posted by DaFace

No, not really.



Everyone's been kind of gaslit into believing that because they've been looking at the views after Creed pulled the ball back to set up for the snap.

Also in all other screenshots I've seen of this issue, the side judge has one foot on the blue line. This one has his foot to left of the line, which could have contributed to Toney being off.

What sucks is the ref pool report defense of this they mentioned not being able to see the ball. The ref didn't take into account that Creed moves the ball more than most centers because he likes to grab the point.

[KCUnited]

Originally Posted by irafreak

This all day, every day. Everyone says don't let it come down to the refs but it's the nfl. These teams are so close to each other in talent that one poor call can change an outcome.

I still don't like blaming one call though because no team plays a perfect game. But we can't dismiss poor officiating especially lopsided and inconsistent officiating.

There were like 3 clear penalties in the Ravens walkoff punt return that weren't called. Multiple no-calls on a game deciding play

With Miami losing, it changes so many possible outcomes in the AFC