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Old 12-12-2023, 01:33 PM  
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Denver Post: The Broncos broke Mahomes
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Keeler: Broncos DC Vance Joseph didn’t just beat Patrick Mahomes. He didn’t just beat the Chiefs. He broke them.

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Vance Joseph didn’t just beat the Chiefs. He broke them like plates at a Big Fat Greek Wedding.

Before the Broncos turned Patrick Mahomes upside down in Week 8 and shook him like a snow globe, No. 15 was Showtime.

He’s been Redbox ever since.

Mea culpa, VJ. I was wrong. We were wrong. Broncos Country wanted a scapegoat for that 70-burger in Miami. Your office was the closest to the sacrificial altar.

And if the wonks who vote on NFL Assistant Coach of the Year are paying attention, that baby oughta be your to lose, Vance. You got it right. Sean Payton got it right. George Paton got it right. Greg Penner got it right.

Instead of shedding blood, the Broncos shed disgruntled veterans. Instead of blowing up the bathroom, they retiled the shower. Every little tweak hit like a sledgehammer.

They identified a new boundary corner (Fabian Moreau) who could handle the traffic from QBs avoiding Pat Surtain II. They found a star in nickelback Ja’Quan McMillian, a college free agent out of East Carolina whose quiet case for a Pro Bowl nod — seven TFLs, two interceptions and two fumbles forced over his last eight games — gets louder by the week.

They handed the keys to Baron Browning, Jonathon Cooper and Nik Bonitto, then watched them drive tackles batty. No team in the NFL has more sacks over the past three weeks than the Broncos’ 18.

Explosion plays vanished. Missed tackles felt like unhappy accidents. In his 13 games as defensive coordinator, Joseph’s defense somehow transformed from a rusty, flaming dumpster into Optimus Prime. Welcome to The Vance Vance Revolution.

If the buddy-cop tandem of Payton & Paton are half as smart as they think they are, they’ll get in Penner’s ear, rip up whatever’s left of VJ’s contract and let Joseph name his price.

It’s been so long — too long — since Broncos Country found something they could trust falling in love with again. You don’t let that feeling walk away easy.

Now that you mention it, the last seven weeks have been so much fun, the only thing missing for Joseph’s cadre is a clever nickname, right? Some proper shorthand, along the lines of “Orange Crush” and “No-Fly Zone”, for one of the most remarkable defensive units in the history of a franchise that’s been defined by them.

Open to suggestions, of course. “Team Takeaway?” “The Turnover Train?”

Here’s another stab, take it or leave it: The Mahomes-Wreckers.

The NFL is an unabashed cut-and-paste, copycat league. Other great defensive minds have proffered theories toward an antidote for the logic-bending, gravity-defying, generational genius of Mahomes, the Chiefs’ QB1.

Joseph might’ve just written the definitive book on the subject.

Before Kansas City visited Empower Field on Oct. 29, the Chiefs were 6-1. The Broncos were roadkill.

On a cold day in Hades, VJ’s defense forced five turnovers, picking off The Grim Reaper twice and sacking him three times.

“Well, you know, Mahomes was sick”, they sniffed.

“Yeah, it was the snow,” they scoffed.

Was it?

In Kansas City’s six games that followed, the Chiefs are 2-4. The defending Super Bowl champs have scored a Shurmuresque 19 points per game during that stretch, while surrendering 1.83 sacks per tussle.

Context: In the seven games before Broncos 24, Mahomes 9, Andy Reid’s finest averaged 25.4 points per game and allowed just one sack per tilt.

During that 6-1 start, Mahomes threw for at least 280 yards four different times. During the 2-4 run since, one that includes the Chiefs’ first loss to the Broncos in forever, No. 15’s only managed to hit that mark once.

So much for sick.

So much for snow.

“Vance and these guys have done a really good job of bringing combinations, if you will, which makes it a little harder,” Payton reflected Monday.

“I think it’s a little bit contagious. I think there (are) certain plans you have for certain styles and certain quarterbacks. Some of these guys are too good to sit in the pocket and they’re too talented. Somehow, you have to disrupt the passing game. And it’s either at the line of scrimmage and re-routing receivers, or it’s with the quarterback. (VJ’s defense has) done a good job.”

When the recovery becomes even more impressive than the failure, it’s not just good, coach. It’s historic.

And when the stuff this league is cutting and pasting is yours, it’s not just flattery. It’s gospel. The AFC West is a race again, and Hallelujah.
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Old 12-12-2023, 10:30 PM   #76
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Kadarius Toney turned Patrick Mahomes into White Goodman at the end of "Dodgeball".

If anyone is going to break Mahomes, it's going to be Andy and these shit stain wide receivers being unable to handle the very basic concepts of their job.
Nah, if he is the GOAT he won't be broken. See, I actually hope we win the SB this year, where many of you don't so you can be right. That's ****ing weird.
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Old 12-12-2023, 11:10 PM   #77
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This is getting out of hand. Hope the Lions curbstomp them on Saturday

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Old 12-12-2023, 11:59 PM   #79
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This is getting out of hand. Hope the Lions curbstomp them on Saturday
You're right. That is completely ridiculous. The Broncos should definitely be ahead of the Bills.
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Old 12-13-2023, 12:42 AM   #80
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Nah, if he is the GOAT he won't be broken. See, I actually hope we win the SB this year, where many of you don't so you can be right. That's ****ing weird.
Jesus ****ing Christ you're stupid.

Not sticking my head in the sand and ignoring 7/13 games this offense has barely functioned (20 points or less), losing 5 of those 7, and pretending this is a superbowl caliber offense is tantamount to wishing we don't win the superbowl so I can come to this board and post that you were a ****ing reerun for thinking these scrubs were gonna get through a day without shitting in their pants, let alone learn the fundamentals of NFL football?

Yes.


Someone should really be reading the dumb ****ing shit that you post to you before you press submit, so you could actually hear how ****ing reeruned you are.

Hate to break it to you, but nobody gives enough of a **** about you for that to even remotely be true.

Your homer or hater mentality alienates you from anyone with even a microscopic amount of common sense. As if proving a point to some random dumb ****ing window licking douchebag who thinks he can gatekeep members fandom is in ANY way preferable to seeing a superbowl win is actually a thing anyone would consider.

Learn to handle negative facts about the Chiefs. Just because someone isn't pumped about the drops, mistakes, and complete trash displays of performing at the NFL level for over half their games, losing the last 4 of 6, doesn't mean they hate the team and wish for a playoff loss to tell some ****ing idiot like you " I told you so" in a post you won't even read.

Pull your ****ing head out of your ass before you suffocate.
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And, what? He's going to wave a magic want that turns Kadarius Toney into Tyreek Hill, Mecole Hardman into 2010 Dwayne Bowe, and Mr. Taylor Swift into the guy that used to be known as Travis Kelce?

Honestly, that is not far off what an all-time great QB should be able to do. Elway spent the lion's share of his career doing it with guys like Vance Johnson, Steve Watson, Mark Jackson, and Clarence Kay. But for whatever reason, Mahomes hasn't figured out how to do it, so far, with the motley bunch of JAGS he's been throwing to this year. Maybe #15 in red will find a little of what #7 in orange regularly had to find through most of his career (other than the fact that, you know, Mahomes is operating with game plans of one of the greatest offensive minds in NFL history, while Elway spent most of his career having to overcome the game plans of Dan Reeves)?

To be clear, I think the article that this thread has referenced is a poorly-written piece of garbage that was made solely intended to rile people up. I don't believe that Vance Joseph "broke" Patrick Mahomes. But some of the responses in this thread are equally ridiculous.
There's only so much any QB can do. Elway wouldn't do any better w these WRs and a washed up Kelce.

Mahomes isn't the problem.
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This is getting out of hand. Hope the Lions curbstomp them on Saturday
“Power Rankings” can be (for some) a lazy way to get clicks/attention. Just put in a few controversial rankings and folks will respond. “Blah blah blah….Chiefs #9!” Response: “”
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There's only so much any QB can do. Elway wouldn't do any better w these WRs and a washed up Kelce.

Mahomes isn't the problem.
That is sort of my point, though. People in this thread are acting like this stupid article is going to cause him to unleash the fury. It assumes 1) he’s just been holding back, to this point; and 2) he’s got the ability to will crappy players into all-pros.

I mentioned the Elway comparison mostly tongue-in-cheek (although, I would contend that Elway’s career numbers and titles would look completely different had he not been coached by the Broncos version of Marty Schottenheimer for most of his career).

The Chiefs are very likely what they are, at this point. They’re a fairly deeply-flawed team that probably doesn’t get to a Super Bowl this year, let alone win it. Mahomes isn’t going anywhere, and likely has a lot of great years (including several runs at titles) in front of him. But it’s going to suck when he eventually loses Kelce. And he’s never going to have another Tyreek Hill to throw to. That doesn’t mean he won’t climb to the top again. But he’ll need smart roster-building around him, to get there.
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There's only so much any QB can do. Elway wouldn't do any better w these WRs and a washed up Kelce.

Mahomes isn't the problem.
Agree on the WRs. Kelce is NOT “washed up.”
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Agree on the WRs. Kelce is NOT “washed up.”
I hear you that was a little harsh. I should have said has lost a step.
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