Playcalling is not the issue

[Mecca]

Originally Posted by mr. tegu

Well you see, two drives prior to him missing a wide open pass he was pressured a few times and sacked so how can expect him to complete a simple pass from a clean pocket later in the game?

Some of the stuff people say, you'd think he was the most mentally fragile person that ever existed. By God did you see that sack he took? it means he'll be unable to properly throw for the next 25 minutes.

[dlphg9]

Originally Posted by Mecca

Honestly, do a lot of you watch other teams play?

The Chiefs don't have the best OL in the league or anything but it's also far from the worst. Reading here you'd think the Chiefs were rocking with an entire line of nothing but scrubs that shouldn't be starters.

The problem is even when the throws are there, he misses. He just doesn't look like the same guy he was just 2 years ago, all the dynamicness just isn't there. I dunno what the **** happened either, it's really weird.

Yeah I don't get this OL is ruining everything. Over his career Joe Burrow's 17 game average is 47 for sacks. He's been sacked 181 times in 66 games. He's been sacked 29 times in 7 playoff games. He isn't out there seeing ghosts. He has a bottom 5 OL and looks like an MVP.

People will point to his weapons, but who cares, because he doesn't get much time to throw.

[wachashi]

Morris is currently ranked as the 73rd best Tackle out of 80 on PFF. Taylor is 53/80.

Pretty clear what the problem is.

[dlphg9]

Originally Posted by wachashi

Morris is currently ranked as the 73rd best Tackle out of 80 on PFF. Taylor is 53/80.

Pretty clear what the problem is.

Taylor is 37/134 in pass blocking and Morris is 94/134.

Creed is #1 in pass blocking from C
Thuney is #1 in pass blocking from G
Smith is #38 in pass blocking from G

1/3 of Morris's pressures came during the Raiders game so I hear. That tanked his grade.

This should be perfectly fine for a player of Mahomes ability.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by dlphg9

Taylor is 37/134 in pass blocking and Morris is 94/134.

Creed is #1 in pass blocking from C
Thuney is #1 in pass blocking from G
Smith is #38 in pass blocking from G

1/3 of Morris's pressures came during the Raiders game so I hear. That tanked his grade.

This should be perfectly fine for a player of Mahomes ability.

I know what point you're trying to make but I couldn't really read the rest of your post after seeing Smith's ranking.

There's no way they should pay that guy.

[FringeNC]

Originally Posted by dlphg9

Taylor is 37/134 in pass blocking and Morris is 94/134.

Creed is #1 in pass blocking from C
Thuney is #1 in pass blocking from G
Smith is #38 in pass blocking from G

1/3 of Morris's pressures came during the Raiders game so I hear. That tanked his grade.

This should be perfectly fine for a player of Mahomes ability.

I'm not sure I buy those rankings. Other than yards per play, which is one of the worst in the entire league (after leading the league usually with Mahomes), the rest of the O metrics aren't bad. Scoring, total yards, etc. because Mahomes is still pulling rabbits out on many third downs. Mahomes is not having a good year by his standards, but most QBs behind this line would be doing worse.

I'd argue YPP measures largely offensive line performance and what you do with those yards per play measures QB performance with skilled positions players contributing to both.

[dlphg9]

Originally Posted by FringeNC

I'm not sure I buy those rankings. Other than yards per play, which is one of the worst in the entire league (after leading the league usually with Mahomes), the rest of the O metrics aren't bad. Scoring, total yards, etc. because Mahomes is still pulling rabbits out on many third downs. Mahomes is not having a good year by his standards, but most QBs behind this line would be doing worse.

I'd argue YPP measures largely offensive line performance and what you do with those yards per play measures QB performance with skilled positions players contributing to both.

Well if you don't trust PFF, then here is ESPNs pass block win rate for everyone but the LT.

For all interior offensive lineman:

Joe Thuney - #1 98% win rate
Creed Humphrey - #5 96% win rate
Trey Smith - #12 95% win rate

This is for tackles:

Jawaan Taylor - #13 92% win rate

Both PFF and ESPN have 4/5 of our offensive lineman ranked very high in pass blocking. Mahomes is responsible for more pressure than a lot of people want to admit.

[wachashi]

Originally Posted by dlphg9

Taylor is 37/134 in pass blocking and Morris is 94/134.

Creed is #1 in pass blocking from C
Thuney is #1 in pass blocking from G
Smith is #38 in pass blocking from G

1/3 of Morris's pressures came during the Raiders game so I hear. That tanked his grade.

This should be perfectly fine for a player of Mahomes ability.

LT is the most important position on the offensive line in pure pass blocking sets. Are you saying Morris is perfectly fine? Mahomes is so good that he doesn't need a functioning LT?

[Wallcrawler]

Originally Posted by wachashi

LT is the most important position on the offensive line in pure pass blocking sets. Are you saying Morris is perfectly fine? Mahomes is so good that he doesn't need a functioning LT?

Dilphag believes Mahomes should be perfectly fine with his blindside defender slapping Wanyas hands like he got caught in the cookie jar and instantly blowing by him.

Unfortunately for dilphag, 3 time superbowl champ, 3 time superbowl mvp, and 2 time league mvp Patrick Mahomes delivered the kiss of death by exhibiting his fury with Wanya openly on the field after another tragi-comic snap he took at left tackle.

Brett Veach rolled the dice on a guy coming off an acl tear, and Andy has put our left guard in to play tackle.

Wanya Morris will never take another meaningful snap this season unless someone literally dies.

Fortunately for us, we have dilphag to inform us all on what a travesty of talent evaluation this is.

[dlphg9]

Originally Posted by Wallcrawler

Dilphag believes Mahomes should be perfectly fine with his blindside defender slapping Wanyas hands like he got caught in the cookie jar and instantly blowing by him.

Unfortunately for dilphag, 3 time superbowl champ, 3 time superbowl mvp, and 2 time league mvp Patrick Mahomes delivered the kiss of death by exhibiting his fury with Wanya openly on the field after another tragi-comic snap he took at left tackle.

Brett Veach rolled the dice on a guy coming off an acl tear, and Andy has put our left guard in to play tackle.

Wanya Morris will never take another meaningful snap this season unless someone literally dies.

Fortunately for us, we have dilphag to inform us all on what a travesty of talent evaluation this is.

Obsessed much?

[wachashi]

Yeah, he's not just being pressured a few times. He leads the league in QB pressures and hits, and is top three in sacks and hurries.

We signed Humphries for a reason. Our Tackle play has sucked ass.

[dlphg9]

Originally Posted by wachashi

Yeah, he's not just being pressured a few times. He leads the league in QB pressures and hits, and is top three in sacks and hurries.

We signed Humphries for a reason. Our Tackle play has sucked ass.

ESPN has the OL as the 2nd best pass blocking OL in the league.

Edit-

These numbers are what he's responsible for. Not the OL.

[jerryaldini]

Originally Posted by wachashi

Yeah, he's not just being pressured a few times. He leads the league in QB pressures and hits, and is top three in sacks and hurries.

We signed Humphries for a reason. Our Tackle play has sucked ass.

If you look at the OL% overall it's pretty average because the interior is so good, and RT is below average but adequate. They are addressing LT which has been abysmal. They are adding a quick open receiver. I think they're fine if they wind up needing to try roll with Thuney.

Despite all these concerns they've been a league average scoring offense with a top four defense that's good enough to carry them to a 13-1 record. We are just so spoiled, and every team has a weakness somewhere.

[dlphg9]

Originally Posted by jerryaldini

If you look at the OL% overall it's pretty average because the interior is so good, and RT is below average but adequate. They are addressing LT which has been abysmal. They are adding a quick open receiver. I think they're fine if they wind up needing to try roll with Thuney.

Despite all these concerns they've been a league average scoring offense with a top four defense that's good enough to carry them to a 13-1 record. We are just so spoiled, and every team has a weakness somewhere.

This shows QB as being responsible for 23.3% of his pressures. It's the 2nd highest in the league.

[Mecca]

PFF gave Mahomes a 43 yesterday, he's only had 2 or 3 games worse than that his entire career.