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Old 07-17-2012, 11:45 AM  
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How does Dwayne Bowe rank among the elite WR's?
Sorry, didn't want this getting overlooked in the other thread. Then again, people will probably ignore it anyway - I know some of you will appreciate this.


I keep seeing people say that Dwayne Bowe isn't an elite WR. So I decided to do some research to see how he matches up statistically over his 5 years in the league.

What I found, is that statistically, Bowe is the 10th best WR of the last 5 years.

I found 9 other WR's that either had better yardage totals, better TD numbers or both. He was 10th in yardage, tied for 6th in TD's.

Here's the list. (Yardage/TD's) Bolded players have fewer or same TD's as Bowe.


Larry Fitzgerald - 6480/49

Roddy White - 6422/42

Reggie Wayne - 6234/36

Wes Welker - 6105/31

Calvin Johnson - 5872/49

Andre Johnson - 5703/35

Greg Jennings - 5539/46

Steve Smith - 5353/29

Marques Colston - 5202/40

Dwayne Bowe - 4927/36


Personally, I think that's impressive on its own.

Especially when you consider the only guy on this list who is younger is Megatron. I'd be curious to see how he matches up to the same players during each of their first 5 seasons.

Anyway, when you compare Bowe's number's to the #1 yardage and #1 TD's - he's not nearly as far off as it seems.

It comes down to 19.41 yard a game, and .16 TD's per game.

Factor in that Bowe is missing something the other 9 have - solid QB play.

After looking at this, its hard for me to say Dwayne Bowe is NOT an elite WR, considering how his numbers match up to the "elite" and never having the benefit of decent QB play.

I'm pretty confident in saying that with solid QB play, Bowe would easily make up 19.41 yards and .16 TD's a game.

Like him or not, he's an elite WR - and has shown it over his 5 years in the league.

Dude deserved elite money.

Or, tl;dr - **** him.

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Old 07-18-2012, 07:54 PM   #901
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Bowe is in his prime now. He can't afford to get hurt and he can't afford to sit out in hopes that he gets a big contract at 30 that even better guys got when they were <28.
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Old 07-18-2012, 07:55 PM   #902
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no. Sorry there are VERY FEW people who 9.5 million ="shit" and Bowe isn't in that group
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Every single franchised player thinks the franchise tag and one year salary sucks. They all want long deals with more guaranteed money. Brees thought it was shit.
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Old 07-18-2012, 07:57 PM   #903
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Every single franchised player thinks the franchise tag and one year salary sucks. They all want long deals with more guaranteed money. Brees thought it was shit.
Difference between Brees and Bowe is that Brees held the cards. Chiefs might not be as good without Bowe but the Saints wouldn't be shit without Brees.
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Old 07-18-2012, 07:58 PM   #904
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He always has a choice. It's not inconceivable that he would choose to sit out rather than be jerked around with 3 years of franchise tags during the prime of his career.

It wouldn't be the first time it happened.
That would literally be the worst thing he could do.

Let's say he plays on the tag this year and sits out next year in hopes of getting a big deal after that.

You're saying he is gambling on sitting out his 29year old year in hopes of landing a mega deal as a 30 year old wide receiver?

Really?

That's what you're going with?

Pioli holds all the cards in this...pure and simple.
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Old 07-18-2012, 07:59 PM   #905
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Difference between Brees and Bowe is that Brees held the cards. Chiefs might not be as good without Bowe but the Saints wouldn't be shit without Brees.
If Bowe isn't in camp and Baldwin lights it up it may not matter
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Every single franchised player thinks the franchise tag and one year salary sucks. They all want long deals with more guaranteed money. Brees thought it was shit.
I want a hundred million dollars but I would take a million if someone handed it to me
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Pioli holds all the cards in this...pure and simple.
What if Bowe holds out this year, and the Chiefs go 4-12?

How many cards does Pioli hold then?
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What if Bowe holds out this year, and the Chiefs go 4-12?

How many cards does Pioli hold then?
depends on why we go 4-12 now doesn't it?
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depends on why we go 4-12 now doesn't it?
I'm sure our defense will collapse without Dwayne Bowe.
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I'm sure our defense will collapse without Dwayne Bowe.
You're doing nothing but speculating we go 4-12 purely because Bowe isn't on the team. That's just ignorant. It could be the defense collapses, injuries...you never know. We could have a stellar offense and just get outscored. Point is you are dreaming up some specific hypothetical to justify possibly over paying someone.

So what if Bowe holds out and we go to the playoffs?
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That would literally be the worst thing he could do.

Let's say he plays on the tag this year and sits out next year in hopes of getting a big deal after that.

You're saying he is gambling on sitting out his 29year old year in hopes of landing a mega deal as a 30 year old wide receiver?

Really?

That's what you're going with?

Pioli holds all the cards in this...pure and simple.
I'm not saying its a good idea. I'm saying it happens.

He's a guy that has been good from the day he was drafted. Probably outplayed his rookie contract when it comes down to it. Never been in trouble, no injuries, played well through a dog and pony show of coaches and QBs. Now his team, sitting on a boatload of cash earned by years of being cheap, years where he played through all those loses that came with being cheap. Now they don't want to pay him what he thinks he's worth. And you don't think there's any chance he'll take offense to that?

I don't give a shit if Pioli holds the cards. All I give a shit about is keeping that talent that we've accumulated throughs years of shitty seasons.
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I'm not saying its a good idea. I'm saying it happens.

He's a guy that has been good from the day he was drafted. Probably outplayed his rookie contract when it comes down to it. Never been in trouble, no injuries, played well through a dog and pony show of coaches and QBs. Now his team, sitting on a boatload of cash earned by years of being cheap, years where he played through all those loses that came with being cheap. Now they don't want to pay him what he thinks he's worth. And you don't think there's any chance he'll take offense to that?

I don't give a shit if Pioli holds the cards. All I give a shit about is keeping that talent that we've accumulated throughs years of shitty seasons.
I do agree, but he was suspended due to a banned substance and the whole importing thing.
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So what if Bowe holds out and we go to the playoffs?
The CFL playoffs?
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The CFL playoffs?
Yeah that's what I thought....
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You seriously believe we could make the playoffs without Dwayne Bowe.

This, after the 2010 team made the playoffs by one game with Bowe going Godzilla on everyone.
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