***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[suzzer99]

Originally Posted by wazu

The Johns Hopkins site just added about 3K, so starting to catch up. They usually lag behind by a few hours.

https://coronavirus.health.ny.gov/co...positive-cases

Yeah it looks like NY is at 15k total positives, not 22k like worldometer is saying.

[suzzer99]

Originally Posted by nychief

New York State is testing on par with S. Korea, so the positives are going to be higher and just the number of people. Most states aren't testing enough at this point.

They're still behind in per capita, but catching up quickly.

[Hammock Parties]

Originally Posted by 007

So how do you all feel about KC going shelter in place on Tuesday. I'm shocked that they are going to enforce it as a misdemeanor, fine, and jail time.

it's not like they are going to pull people over, impound the car and throw you in jail

just don't have a barbecue at the park and you'll be fine FFS

[BigRedChief]

Originally Posted by wazu

Seeing +12,339 new cases in New York just today. Can that be right?

the governor said this am that he expects 40%-75% of all New Yorkers to get the coronavirus

[RINGLEADER]

Originally Posted by Donger

NewYork-Presbyterian performed more than 500 tests for the novel coronavirus Saturday, and 50% came out positive.

"That's very high," Chief Operating Officer Dr. Laura L. Forese said in a leadership briefing Sunday.

Forese said the hospital had 558 Covid-19 inpatients, and about 1 in 5 are receiving ICU care.

That number "is a snapshot. It's changing probably as I'm speaking to you today," she said. "We have many more who have been sent home, either Covid-positive tested, or presumed to have that."

I was going to say that the math says there would be 200K in NYC with around 10K on ventilators by the time they peak in 10 days. Hearing that the positive rate is this high, that the subway is (stupidly) still running, and that they doubled in a day would lead to a revised number of 567,000 with 113,400 hospitalized and 28,350 on life support.

If the math holds at these levels.

[FloridaMan88]

Originally Posted by RINGLEADER

It took Chine 3 months and they were pulling people out of houses and boarding up front doors. Absent some therapy, even with social distancing, it’s going to take a similar amount of time here — probably longer given we will take longer to come to the same realization (though it appears Cuomo is there now).

Until they restrict travel out of the state, New Yorkers with the financial means are going to flee to states with less draconian measures.

The mandatory "shelter in place" (nice way of saying virtual house arrest) shit is not sustainable long term.

[nychief]

15,168 cases in NYS. Up 4000 from yesterday. 114 deaths.

[RINGLEADER]

Originally Posted by suzzer99

https://coronavirus.health.ny.gov/co...positive-cases

Yeah it looks like NY is at 15k total positives, not 22k like worldometer is saying.

I hope so.

[FloridaMan88]

Originally Posted by BigRedChief

the governor said this am that he expects 40%-75% of all New Yorkers to get the coronavirus

More relevant is how many people will have a severe case of COVID-19 that will require hospitalization.

[BigRedChief]

Originally Posted by DaFace

Pretty much has to stay open in that city.

yeah, that’s how most of the Doctors, nurses, RT’s, janitorial staff etc. get to the hospitals.

[Hammock Parties]

Originally Posted by 007

Everyone will just say they are on the way to a grocery store

The cops aren't going to pull over every car they see on the road.

It is still legal to go places.

If for some weird reason some over-eager pig pulls you over there are a dozen different excuses in the official document.

https://www.kcmo.gov/home/showdocument?id=4065

I'm going to be doing a lot of grocery shopping at my girlfriend's place. And I know she likes to pick up sausage at mine.

[BigRedChief]

Originally Posted by KCChiefsFan88

More relevant is how many people will have a severe case of COVID-19 that will require hospitalization.

of course. I would think that NYC itself would probable skew younger than the national average too. That should help the hospitals from being overwhelmed.

[BigRedChief]

Originally Posted by RINGLEADER

I hear that the subway is (stupidly) still running,

how do you purpose healthcare workers get into work to take care of patients?

[ptlyon]

Originally Posted by Hammock Parties

The cops aren't going to pull over every car they see on the road.

It is still legal to go places.

If for some weird reason some over-eager pig pulls you over there are a dozen different excuses in the official document.

https://www.kcmo.gov/home/showdocument?id=4065

I'm going to be doing a lot of grocery shopping at my girlfriend's place. And I know she likes to pick up sausage at mine.

Lil smokies anyways

[Chief Pagan]

Originally Posted by BigRedChief

The NY govenor was saying if he can even get the N95 mask, he paid 95 cents before is now $6.75 because Florida, Illinois,Cali are willing to pay that. We are also competiting with other countries. Why are these companies allowed to price gouge these states in this crisis?

We are supposed to all in this together but we are forcing states to compete with each other for basic medical supplies that will save life’s.

The federal government needs to step in here.

I understand why this is upsetting and there are plenty of hoarders would be price gougers who are evil.

But even being way left of center, I sort of suspect that if people can sell them for 6 times the normal cost, production will ramp up faster.