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**OnTheWarpath15** · 11:10 PM

Sorry, didn't want this getting overlooked in the other thread. Then again, people will probably ignore it anyway - I know some of you will appreciate this.

I keep seeing people say that Dwayne Bowe isn't an elite WR. So I decided to do some research to see how he matches up statistically over his 5 years in the league.

What I found, is that statistically, Bowe is the 10th best WR of the last 5 years.

I found 9 other WR's that either had better yardage totals, better TD numbers or both. He was 10th in yardage, tied for 6th in TD's.

Here's the list. (Yardage/TD's) Bolded players have fewer or same TD's as Bowe.

Larry Fitzgerald - 6480/49

Roddy White - 6422/42

Reggie Wayne - 6234/36

Wes Welker - 6105/31

Calvin Johnson - 5872/49

Andre Johnson - 5703/35

Greg Jennings - 5539/46

Steve Smith - 5353/29

Marques Colston - 5202/40

Dwayne Bowe - 4927/36

Personally, I think that's impressive on its own.

Especially when you consider the only guy on this list who is younger is Megatron. I'd be curious to see how he matches up to the same players during each of their first 5 seasons.

Anyway, when you compare Bowe's number's to the #1 yardage and #1 TD's - he's not nearly as far off as it seems.

It comes down to 19.41 yard a game, and .16 TD's per game.

Factor in that Bowe is missing something the other 9 have - solid QB play.

After looking at this, its hard for me to say Dwayne Bowe is NOT an elite WR, considering how his numbers match up to the "elite" and never having the benefit of decent QB play.

I'm pretty confident in saying that with solid QB play, Bowe would easily make up 19.41 yards and .16 TD's a game.

Like him or not, he's an elite WR - and has shown it over his 5 years in the league.

Dude deserved elite money.

Or, tl;dr - **** him.

Brock · 07-18-2012, 08:22 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city

I do agree, but he was suspended due to a banned substance and the whole importing thing.

"the whole importing thing"? Nobody cared about that.

**petegz28** · 07-18-2012, 08:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Toad King

You seriously believe we could make the playoffs without Dwayne Bowe.

This, after the 2010 team made the playoffs by one game with Bowe going Godzilla on everyone.

JFC are you just being stupid on purpose? You're the one who threw out this shit that without Bowe we go 4-12 and for no other reason.

milkman · 07-18-2012, 08:24 PM

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Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO

I want a hundred million dollars but I would take a million if someone handed it to me
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Here's the problem with your thinking.

A player's career can be over on a single play.

Playing on the franchise contract, if his career ends on a play this season, his earning power is gone.

That's why that franchise contract is not that great.

9.5 mil is a lot of money.

But in the big picture, when talking about earnings potential, it is just a small percentage of what Bowe can, and should be, paid.

Hammock Parties · 07-18-2012, 08:26 PM

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Originally Posted by petegz28

JFC are you just being stupid on purpose? You're the one who threw out this shit that without Bowe we go 4-12 and for no other reason.

Bowe is an integral part of our offense.

We play a tough schedule.

4-12 is probably an exaggeration.

I don't doubt that we'd be under .500 this season without Bowe doing his thing, though.

He's important.

**SAUTO** · 07-18-2012, 08:29 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman

Here's the problem with your thinking.

A player's career can be over on a single play.

Playing on the franchise contract, if his career ends on a play this season, his earning power is gone.

That's why that franchise contract is not that great.

9.5 mil is a lot of money.

But in the big picture, when talking about earnings potential, it is just a small percentage of what Bowe can, and should be, paid.

I understand all of this milky. Still he could never make that up if lost. Never
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**RealSNR** · 07-18-2012, 08:30 PM

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Originally Posted by petegz28

depends on why we go 4-12 now doesn't it?

Most likely it will be your boyfriend Matty.

Do you foresee any other possibilities?

**BossChief** · 07-18-2012, 08:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Toad King

What if Bowe holds out this year, and the Chiefs go 4-12?

How many cards does Pioli hold then?

All of them. All he could do, in terms of a holdout, is sit until week 9 if he wants out.

Same as Vincent Jackson.

For me, that would be fine.

Cassel would be benched, almost assuredly.

That right there makes it worth while.

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I'm not saying its a good idea. I'm saying it happens.

He's a guy that has been good from the day he was drafted. Probably outplayed his rookie contract when it comes down to it. Never been in trouble, no injuries, played well through a dog and pony show of coaches and QBs. Now his team, sitting on a boatload of cash earned by years of being cheap, years where he played through all those loses that came with being cheap. Now they don't want to pay him what he thinks he's worth. And you don't think there's any chance he'll take offense to that?

I don't give a shit if Pioli holds the cards. All I give a shit about is keeping that talent that we've accumulated throughs years of shitty seasons.

Who has sat out a whole season to avoid the franchise tag?

Trouble? Like ped trouble with a league suspension kind of trouble?

He got injured in the finale and without agreeing on a ltd, he is gambling with every penny he would/could have earned.

The last line is funny as shit, too.

That's EXACTLY what a GM is doing by only offering "fair market deals"

This team has a slew of upcoming contract negotiations on the horizon...if you overpay one, you better be expecting to overpay them all.

**petegz28** · 07-18-2012, 08:31 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman

Here's the problem with your thinking.

A player's career can be over on a single play.

Playing on the franchise contract, if his career ends on a play this season, his earning power is gone.

That's why that franchise contract is not that great.

9.5 mil is a lot of money.

But in the big picture, when talking about earnings potential, it is just a small percentage of what Bowe can, and should be, paid.

What does he make if he holds out?

**RealSNR** · 07-18-2012, 08:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Toad King

Bowe is an integral part of our offense.

We play a tough schedule.

4-12 is probably an exaggeration.

I don't doubt that we'd be under .500 this season without Bowe doing his thing, though.

He's important.

Yeah who the hell will drop all those TD passes if Bowe isn't around? /reeruns

**petegz28** · 07-18-2012, 08:32 PM

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Originally Posted by SNR

Most likely it will be your boyfriend Matty.

Do you foresee any other possibilities?

In the nfl? Nah, not like injuries or things ever happen and what not.

**RealSNR** · 07-18-2012, 08:33 PM

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Originally Posted by petegz28

In the nfl? Nah, not like injuries or things ever happen and what not.

Injuries happen to every team. Like the 2011 Giants and the 2010 Packers.

Hammock Parties · 07-18-2012, 08:34 PM

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Originally Posted by BossChief

This team has a slew of upcoming contract negotiations on the horizon...if you overpay one, you better be expecting to overpay them all.

Because every player we have to pay is one of the top 5 at his position?

No.

O.city · 07-18-2012, 08:37 PM

Hopefully, Cassels money would come off the books soon, but who the hell knows about that. Jackson will likely be restructured next year as well so there is something.

We have the money to pay everyone basically and even if we don't, that shit can be structured right. Like many have said the salary cap is a myth.

jd1020 · 07-18-2012, 08:37 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman

Here's the problem with your thinking.

A player's career can be over on a single play.

Playing on the franchise contract, if his career ends on a play this season, his earning power is gone.

That's why that franchise contract is not that great.

9.5 mil is a lot of money.

But in the big picture, when talking about earnings potential, it is just a small percentage of what Bowe can, and should be, paid.

Goes both ways.

If the Chiefs pay him 50M guaranteed and he gets seriously injured and his performance drops off a 100ft cliff then where are the Chiefs left?

This is why they need to come to a fair deal and Bowe presumably asking for a Fitzgerald contract is not exactly what I would call fair for the Chiefs.

milkman · 07-18-2012, 08:37 PM

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Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO

I understand all of this milky. Still he could never make that up if lost. Never
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You're right, he can't, so holding out is probably not in the cards.

But, someone, someday, is going to end their career on a franchise contract, and when that happens, a lot of players will think long and hard before they agree to play on that contract.

07-17-2012, 11:45 AM
OnTheWarpath15 MVP Join Date: Sep 2005 Casino cash: $2021115	How does Dwayne Bowe rank among the elite WR's? Sorry, didn't want this getting overlooked in the other thread. Then again, people will probably ignore it anyway - I know some of you will appreciate this. I keep seeing people say that Dwayne Bowe isn't an elite WR. So I decided to do some research to see how he matches up statistically over his 5 years in the league. What I found, is that statistically, Bowe is the 10th best WR of the last 5 years. I found 9 other WR's that either had better yardage totals, better TD numbers or both. He was 10th in yardage, tied for 6th in TD's. Here's the list. (Yardage/TD's) Bolded players have fewer or same TD's as Bowe. Larry Fitzgerald - 6480/49 Roddy White - 6422/42 Reggie Wayne - 6234/36 Wes Welker - 6105/31 Calvin Johnson - 5872/49 Andre Johnson - 5703/35 Greg Jennings - 5539/46 Steve Smith - 5353/29 Marques Colston - 5202/40 Dwayne Bowe - 4927/36 Personally, I think that's impressive on its own. Especially when you consider the only guy on this list who is younger is Megatron. I'd be curious to see how he matches up to the same players during each of their first 5 seasons. Anyway, when you compare Bowe's number's to the #1 yardage and #1 TD's - he's not nearly as far off as it seems. It comes down to 19.41 yard a game, and .16 TD's per game. Factor in that Bowe is missing something the other 9 have - solid QB play. After looking at this, its hard for me to say Dwayne Bowe is NOT an elite WR, considering how his numbers match up to the "elite" and never having the benefit of decent QB play. I'm pretty confident in saying that with solid QB play, Bowe would easily make up 19.41 yards and .16 TD's a game. Like him or not, he's an elite WR - and has shown it over his 5 years in the league. Dude deserved elite money. Or, tl;dr - **** him. Last edited by OnTheWarpath15; 07-17-2012 at 11:10 PM..
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