NFL Draft Neither Stafford or Sanchez belong in top 10 - Page 63

**chiefforlife** · 02-21-2009, 09:39 AM

SOME DON’T VIEW STAFFORD, SANCHEZ AS TOP TEN PICKS
Posted by Mike Florio on February 21, 2009, 8:21 a.m.

Our initial mock draft of the year created plenty of consternation among folks who regard such matters even more importantly that some of our other readers regard their chosen religion.

And, yes, we were trying to make a point with the thing. At this stage, none of the draft experts (i.e., guys who couldn’t get or hold a scouting job with an NFL team and who instead tried to create a niche in the media for the stuff no NFL team would pay them to do) know with any degree of certainty what will occur on draft day.

Apart from the premature nature of prognosticating the events of late April is the fact that every NFL team makes its own decisions for its own reasons, especially in round one. Some draft based on need. Others take the best available player. And when 32 teams have different views on how those available players are ranked from best to worst, the stage is set for all sorts of screwy stuff.

We could have created even more consternation by dropping Georgia quarterback Matt Stafford and USC quarterback Mark Sanchez out of the top ten. In some war rooms, it’s an accurate view of the two players.

Said one source, “In other years those guys aren’t first-round picks. Stafford played well in 2007 but was horrible in 2008. He stunk in all their big games.”

The source specifically pointed to the contests against Alabama, Florida, and Tennessee. Based on the numbers, Stafford was bad against Florida, mediocre against Alabama, and decent against Tennessee.

“He is an average leader at best,” the source opined. “When you put a lot of pressure on him, he pees his pants. Detroit has a new front office, but if they take him then it’s the same old stuff. I guarantee that if he goes in the top 20 he will never play to the level he was drafted.

“What he has is physical skills,” the source added. “He has a strong arm and is athletic but he also has poor instincts and poor decision-making.”

Some might disagree with that assessment. But the point is that, when you’ve got a bunch of different folks assessing the same players, there will be significant variations from person to person.

“As far as Sanchez,” the source said, “he is a more solid choice. He played in a pro style offense. He’s accurate and has a good arm. He’s smart and a leader.

“The negative is he was a one-year starter. Tell me the last time a quarterback who was a one-year starter in college made it big in the NFL? Game time is huge with quarterbacks. Granted, from a money standpoint he made the right decision, but from the standpoint of having a top career, his decision has to be questioned.”

(And, no, our source isn’t Pete Carroll.)

So there you have it. Evidence of how the viewpoints on supposedly top players can diverge dramatically. It makes the process of predicting draft picks even more precarious. So, in the end, we think the final tally of players taken two months from now would presently seem every bit as goofy and unrealistic as some viewed our initial Pre-Combine Mock Draft.

**chiefforlife** · 02-24-2009, 10:53 AM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry

You know there is this little thing called free agency. We can get a vet QB.

Yes and I would feel a lot better about these two QBs if we signed a good vet to mentor.

Sweet Daddy Hate · 02-24-2009, 10:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2

Even if KC took Sanchez at #3, I wouldn't be completely shocked if they took a bigger project in the 7th round as a backup plan for 3 years down the road. My bet is the kid from Buffalo, I think his name is Willy. Hopefully Dick Curl can come back so I get to hear Madden talk about Dick Curl playing with his Willy on the sideline.

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Originally Posted by cfl

I agree. Maybe someone like Garcia?

If the price is right, sure.

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Originally Posted by cfl

Yes and I would feel a lot better about these two QBs if we signed a good vet to mentor.

Word.

Pioli Zombie · 02-24-2009, 11:04 AM

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Originally Posted by cfl

Yes and I would feel a lot better about these two QBs if we signed a good vet to mentor.

That may be the best idea. If they are sold on sanchez upside draft him but bring in a garcia to be deberg to sanchez' elway
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Reerun_KC · 02-24-2009, 11:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Pioli Zombie

That may be the best idea. If they are sold on sanchez upside draft him but bring in a garcia to be deberg to sanchez' elway
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Sounds like someone is suggesting that we bring somebody in for shower and rope time with the young guys...

Pioli Zombie · 02-24-2009, 11:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Reerun_KC

Sounds like someone is suggesting that we bring somebody in for shower and rope time with the young guys...

T.O. Is that you?

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Pioli Zombie · 02-24-2009, 11:13 AM

He's not long term solution but the chiefs haven't had a bonafide starting nfl qb like garcia since green was knocked out in the season opener in 2006. They would have won at least 6 games last year with garcia. Let him get beat up and stabilize things and let sanchez sit back and learn the right way
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soundmind · 02-24-2009, 11:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Pioli Zombie

He's not long term solution but the chiefs haven't had a bonafide starting nfl qb like garcia since green was knocked out in the season opener in 2006. They would have won at least 6 games last year with garcia. Let him get beat up and stabilize things and let sanchez sit back and learn the right way
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I'm actually not totally against that...surprisingly. NOT a Garcia "fan", but adequate while you nurse an untested QB is not a horrible idea. That said, won't happen.

Pioli Zombie · 02-24-2009, 11:28 AM

Ok. Here it comes......In New England......

In new england the patriots were awful when parcells took over 2-14. They drafted bledsoe but they also brought in journeyman scott secules. Secules got the crap kicked out of him early as bledsoe got his feet wet slowly.

Even if its thigpen at first don't let the rookies confidence and body get destroyed early
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Brock · 02-24-2009, 11:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Pioli Zombie

He's not long term solution but the chiefs haven't had a bonafide starting nfl qb like garcia since green was knocked out in the season opener in 2006. They would have won at least 6 games last year with garcia. Let him get beat up and stabilize things and let sanchez sit back and learn the right way
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What would be good about winning 6 games?

Pioli Zombie · 02-24-2009, 11:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Brock

What would be good about winning 6 games?

Its progress from 2 and it gives time for other pieces to fall into place while the rookie sits a bit and learns

To be clear. I'd only want them to do this if they draft who they feel is a legit future qb star
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**DeezNutz** · 02-24-2009, 11:42 AM

He means last year.

6 last year would have meant jack shit.

Once we get our QB in this draft, however, my stance will change on this.

Pioli Zombie · 02-24-2009, 11:46 AM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz

He means last year.

6 last year would have meant jack shit.

Once we get our QB in this draft, however, my stance will change on this.

Oh. Well I agree. It wouldn't be good to bring in a garcia to be a huard just to win 6. When I said the 6 I meant to say that's how much a real qb could have made last year.

So no don't sign him to be THE qb. Just as a mentor and stop gap. A "crash davis" from bull durham type. And sanchez can be "Nuke".
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orange · 02-24-2009, 11:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Brock

What would be good about winning 6 games?

You wouldn't have thread after thread about how NOBODY picks a cover linebacker #3?

Brock · 02-24-2009, 11:56 AM

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Originally Posted by orange

You wouldn't have thread after thread about how NOBODY picks a cover linebacker #3?

It looks to me like there are just as many threads touting Curry as there are knocking him, as if that has anything to do with anything. I don't care to pick up some old has been QB just to win a few more games.

**chiefforlife** · 02-24-2009, 12:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Brock

It looks to me like there are just as many threads touting Curry as there are knocking him, as if that has anything to do with anything. I don't care to pick up some old has been QB just to win a few more games.

That isnt the purpose though. Garcia is a probowl QB, he would be brought in to mentor a new QB, one that came out as a junior. I am not a Garcia fan either but he would be great in this scenario. If we dont draft one of these two QBs, then I wouldnt want Garcia.
No matter what we do, I think we are going to win a few more games.

02-21-2009, 09:39 AM
chiefforlife Colorado Chief Fan Join Date: Feb 2006 Casino cash: $5493147	Neither Stafford or Sanchez belong in top 10 SOME DON’T VIEW STAFFORD, SANCHEZ AS TOP TEN PICKS Posted by Mike Florio on February 21, 2009, 8:21 a.m. Our initial mock draft of the year created plenty of consternation among folks who regard such matters even more importantly that some of our other readers regard their chosen religion. And, yes, we were trying to make a point with the thing. At this stage, none of the draft experts (i.e., guys who couldn’t get or hold a scouting job with an NFL team and who instead tried to create a niche in the media for the stuff no NFL team would pay them to do) know with any degree of certainty what will occur on draft day. Apart from the premature nature of prognosticating the events of late April is the fact that every NFL team makes its own decisions for its own reasons, especially in round one. Some draft based on need. Others take the best available player. And when 32 teams have different views on how those available players are ranked from best to worst, the stage is set for all sorts of screwy stuff. We could have created even more consternation by dropping Georgia quarterback Matt Stafford and USC quarterback Mark Sanchez out of the top ten. In some war rooms, it’s an accurate view of the two players. Said one source, “In other years those guys aren’t first-round picks. Stafford played well in 2007 but was horrible in 2008. He stunk in all their big games.” The source specifically pointed to the contests against Alabama, Florida, and Tennessee. Based on the numbers, Stafford was bad against Florida, mediocre against Alabama, and decent against Tennessee. “He is an average leader at best,” the source opined. “When you put a lot of pressure on him, he pees his pants. Detroit has a new front office, but if they take him then it’s the same old stuff. I guarantee that if he goes in the top 20 he will never play to the level he was drafted. “What he has is physical skills,” the source added. “He has a strong arm and is athletic but he also has poor instincts and poor decision-making.” Some might disagree with that assessment. But the point is that, when you’ve got a bunch of different folks assessing the same players, there will be significant variations from person to person. “As far as Sanchez,” the source said, “he is a more solid choice. He played in a pro style offense. He’s accurate and has a good arm. He’s smart and a leader. “The negative is he was a one-year starter. Tell me the last time a quarterback who was a one-year starter in college made it big in the NFL? Game time is huge with quarterbacks. Granted, from a money standpoint he made the right decision, but from the standpoint of having a top career, his decision has to be questioned.” (And, no, our source isn’t Pete Carroll.) So there you have it. Evidence of how the viewpoints on supposedly top players can diverge dramatically. It makes the process of predicting draft picks even more precarious. So, in the end, we think the final tally of players taken two months from now would presently seem every bit as goofy and unrealistic as some viewed our initial Pre-Combine Mock Draft.
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