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*** Official 2016 Royals Offseason Repository ***
![]() Well, folks, it has happened. The Royals stand triumphant, atop the heap of MLB. In this thread, we'll track the action as Dayton Moore continues The Process and attempts to defend the long-awaited title. Before we get to the meet of it, let's take a minute to reflect ... and say "I'm Sorry" to Dayton Moore. We gave you hell. Many of us called for your head. But you were right. You got it done. Congratulations. Mea culpa. Now, let's talk about the offseason: LINK TO 2016-18 PAYROLL INFO COURTESY OF ROYALS REVIEW The Royals will have a few priorities: Corner OF (x2) and 1 SP, IMO. The rest of the core is solid and will need little tweaking. Looking at the increase in ticket sales, merchandising, concessions, parking, etc., I think it's fair to assume the Royals GROSSED $100 million more this season, or close to it. That gives Glass and Dayton Moore much more flexibility on payroll for 2016 (hopefully). First order of business will be gauging the Alex Gordon market. If he can be resigned for 4-5 years at around $75-80 million total, it would be hard for KC to pass on that. He's still an above-average corner OF bat, and the Royals will need to bring in at least one proven guy to play in a corner if Gordon walks... and the whole market looks a lot like Alex - guys in their early 30s looking for huge, final contracts. Second order of business: Make a decision on Zobrist. It sounds like KC will pursue him aggressively. At 34, he's at risk of declining in a big way after a few years. If they could find someone to take on Omar Infante for eating 1/2 of his deal, that would be a great start to things. If they decide not to spend on Zobrist, KC will need to cobble together some sort of plan for 2B/RF that involves some cheaper options like Orlando, Colon, Dyson, etc. I could see them deciding his ability to provide great insurance at either 2B or in RF is worth the risk. Third order of business: Add depth to the rotation with a FA SP. Duffy, Ventura, Volquez and Medlen are locks for 4 spots, it seems. Kyle Zimmer may finally be ready to make a MLB impact, but his innings will be limited. That means KC needs insurance. Will it kill two birds with one stone (and insure against Duffy/Ventura regression) by signing a more top-tier guy? Or does Moore look to Chris Young/someone like him for this depth? Personally, I think Mike Leake would be a great fit with KC's defense and park, and I know Moore has long coveted him. He's still young - just 28 - and has succeeded in bandbox Cincinnati for years. Ian Kennedy, Mat Latos, Marco Estrada, and Justin Masterson are some other names that may pique interest (a little further down the list). Other than that, I don't think KC makes any major moves. Greg Holland will be interesting to observe, as they have one more year of control of him, and he will obviously miss all of that season. I wouldn't be surprised to see a pre-arbitration deal that pays him something like $15 million over the next two seasons, and I wouldn't be surprised to see him turned loose, period. The bullpen will rest upon Wade Davis/Herrera/Hochevar, filling in pieces around them. Bringing Madson back wouldn't be a surprise, but he could get a big deal from another team that is willing to pay him as their top setup guy or even their closer. I think the biggest prospects to watch in Spring Training will be: 1) Kyle Zimmer. The hype has built, died down, built again, etc. If he's healthy, he's filthy and a potential ToR arm. But what does he look like in ST, and how many innings can you reasonably expect from him if he does earn a rotation spot? It seems like 120-130 innings would be his limit unless they really stretch (or unless he has a lot of hidden innings from simulated games/extended spring training, which might push him to 150-160). Having another cheap, home-grown pitcher would be a significant boon for this team as it tries to extend the competitive window (and potentially give KC a strong 1-2 to build its rotation around in Zimmer and Ventura) 2) Bubba Starling. I'm trying to remain skeptical, but I like what I hear about Bubba from this season, and the performance has picked up. If KC does not sign someone to fill the RF slot, I think that's a strong indication KC's front office believes Starling will be ready to contribute in 2016. Dayton Moore has long said that when Starling's light flips on, it will happen quickly and burn brightly. Time will tell. After his STRONG Arizona Fall League Performance, he shot up my prospect chart. 3) Miguel Almonte. His late-season stint out of the KC bullpen went poorly, but Almonte has a plus-plus changeup, a good fastball, and a decent curve ball. He may be the dark horse in the rotation competition, and unlike Zimmer, he's set up to pitch a full 180 inning season. 4) RA Mondesi. The only player to debut in the MLB World Series has incredible tools. He still needs to refine his game, but again... he may be KC's best cheap, plus alternative at a key position (2B). His defense would be a boon from Day 1, but he needs seasoning with the bat before he's asked to hold down 2B full time. And, as always, here are the Prospects: Duncan’s Top 20 for 2016:
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3 years? BB has lost it.
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That Madson deal is insane. Baseball has too much money. It's like Jesse Pinkman hosting 24/7 parties at his apartment for a bunch of hangers-on.
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When Madson speaks to Billy Butler for the first time that'll be awkward. "So um...one year too late huh?"
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Remember when Madson had to sit out for like 2 weeks at the end of August to let his arm recharge. Billy Beane doesn't.
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It makes you wonder. He also signed Rich Hill to a 1yr 6M deal after he came back from injury and pitched a good Sept for Boston. Guys like Hill + Madson are guys Beane used to find first. And get cheap production from before letting them get paid by others
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KMo and Volquez will cost us $19m this year.
Billy Butler and Madson will cost $17m this year
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I'd feel worse about losing him if not for Madson's 2 meltdowns in the playoffs.
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Well at least the Royals got good value out of Madson. No way I'd pay that kind of coin.
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The Royals signing of the Madson last year was pure genius with whatever they saw that he had left.
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Another great example of GMDM letting a certainly declining player cash in for another team. Thanks for a great year, Madson...good story.
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I appreciate what Madson did for KC. He was huge out of the bullpen. His kryptonite was the Blue Jays, and unfortunately we had to go through them. He pitched fine in the World Series. I can't believe someone gave him three years though. No way they get three quality years out of that contract.
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Like the deal with Young (and imagine they'll be taking out insurance on that contract). $5 million/year is a bargain for a decent back-end starter in this market.
Kazmir interest makes sense to me, too. Good pitcher in that second tier, who isn't going to cost you a draft pick, and shouldn't break the bank. Plus, with KC's bullpen, the Royals should be able to protect his arm a bit. As long as you're not expecting more than 180 IP from Kazmir, it's do-able. Something similar to what Lackey got from the Cubs makes sense, but over 3-4 years instead of two. His weak close to the year might also affect Kazmir's price a little bit, in the right direction. He was not good in Houston (ERA over 4, WHIP of almost 1.4, FIP over 5, plummeting K rate), but that park is a really bad fit for a LH pitcher who is a flyball pitcher. His HR/FB rate was the highest during his time with Houston than it has been at any point in his career, outside of his short stint with the Angels.
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I'm hoping the Royals are looking at Leake too.
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