Brian Flores suing the NFL

[Sassy Squatch]

Oh wow, Brian Flores suing the NFL and NY Giants, alleging racism in hiring. Includes private texts from Bill Belichick https://t.co/4FVAlelLQU

— Alex Weprin (@alexweprin) February 1, 2022

Flores' suit includes texts from Bill Belichick that appear to show him congratulating him on getting the Giants job, mistakenly believing he was texting Brian Daboll. This was before Flores' interview with the Giants took place.

— Alex Weprin (@alexweprin) February 1, 2022

[Marcellus]

Originally Posted by dirk digler

He is the owner. But yes the Hornets haven't been great but they have some young talent and are pretty good the last couple of years.

Ah that's right but wasn't/isn't he making all the personnel decisions?

[dirk digler]

Originally Posted by Marcellus

Ah that's right but wasn't/isn't he making all the personnel decisions?

He did but they actually have a GM now, Mitch Kupchak. Probably why they improved somewhat MJ wasn't very good no doubt

[Discuss Thrower]

Originally Posted by Marcellus

Ah that's right but wasn't/isn't he making all the personnel decisions?

He was. And had personnel input with the Wizards too

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by GloryDayz

Unless you're on the "rigged" bandwagon, which owner do think would trade a chance for SB wins because they don't want a coach of a certain race?

And sometimes the locker room connection you think is a benefit is anything but that. It may help in some small way(s), but in the end a coach can't be a player's friend. And while I'm not suggesting that you're claiming that's what's going on, most people think "they can relate" is a kissing cousin to being their friend. And you don't need to have been where they are to give good advise for how they can become better players and people.

I don’t think any organization is specially excluding on race. That doesn’t mean they don’t make bad decisions when they rely way too much on a good ole boy network. Doesn’t mean they can’t do better to develop the talent they have. We have two nepotism hires on our own staff. Britt Reid (gone, but he also ended up screwing us) and Alex wittingham. The other coach’s son we had, Adam Zimmer, got a dui while on our staff. People think this is a top down issue (not hiring black coaches) but it could very well be a bottom up issue (not bringing enough black talent in the door).

Of course not all black players will thrive as coaches. But many do have the qualities you look for which can be groomed over time. That’s why you put them in your pipeline to see which ones sink or swim. If nfl teams aren’t pulling in a great pipeline of these players, regardless of race, then they’re not running their team very well.

[splatbass]

Originally Posted by Hammock Parties

brian is full of shit

While this may be true, they almost certainly flew in on a private jet, with plenty of alcohol on board. So he may well have been drunk also. Since i don't like him I'll just have to assume he was shitfaced.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower

Or you can realize that front offices place more value on coaching aspirants that demonstrate years of competency in moving from assistant to coordinator type roles in either college or pro levels in selecting HCs.

Unless you know a guy on the coaching staff or front office. Which is documented to be 14% but I’d bet it’s over 25% of the coaching staff. Then you can skip over way more steps in the process. This also assumes that talent is well recognized, developed and moved along.

[Rain Man]

Originally Posted by Hammock Parties

brian is full of shit

So we're supposed to believe that he was completely different from his usual persona during the interview?

[GloryDayz]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

I don’t think any organization is specially excluding on race. That doesn’t mean they don’t make bad decisions when they rely way too much on a good ole boy network. Doesn’t mean they can’t do better to develop the talent they have. We have two nepotism hires on our own staff. Britt Reid (gone, but he also ended up screwing us) and Alex wittingham. The other coach’s son we had, Adam Zimmer, got a dui while on our staff. People think this is a top down issue (not hiring black coaches) but it could very well be a bottom up issue (not bringing enough black talent in the door).

Of course not all black players will thrive as coaches. But many do have the qualities you look for which can be groomed over time. That’s why you put them in your pipeline to see which ones sink or swim. If nfl teams aren’t pulling in a great pipeline of these players, regardless of race, then they’re not running their team very well.

I respect everything you just said, but I'd caution you or any sport/business on using color, ever, as any sort of requirement for selecting an organization's high/highest coach or leader, or who gets in the pipeline. Instead I would offer to all young men and women who want to aspire to being a sports coach to work on life skills that lead being a great leader and also working tirelessly with an emphasis on the particular sport they dearly love.

From coaching robotics to coaching wrestling, to coaching football, it's never bad to have played/participated in those activities growing up, but what it takes to coach is a balance between organizational leadership skills, being a student of the game, having a dynamic mind, knowing player interaction is just part of the job (being good with time is really important too), and a tenacity for being able lead people who are stars are some of the things that make you a coach.

It takes a very special person to coach, and knowing the game from the player's side is just one facet of a very hard diamond.

[KINGPIN CHIEFS FAN]

Originally Posted by Hammock Parties

brian is full of shit

Funny that he doesn't address the fact that he was an hour late for the interview. Being on time would show that he was serious about the interview.

[Marcellus]

Originally Posted by Hammock Parties

brian is full of shit

Possibly but Hue Jackson definitely is and he made a fool of himself getting involved in this.

I edited some of the non important stuff out, its from The Athletic.

Lloyd: Hue Jackson’s complaints against Browns resemble his coaching career; they both fall short

Hue Jackson brought a crowbar and bullhorn to a conversation he wasn’t invited to and yet again tried convincing the world how badly he was wronged by the Cleveland Browns.

This time, he insisted, he has the receipts. He can help Brian Flores’ case. But given the opportunity to show his hand Wednesday, Jackson instead revealed a 2-7 offsuit.

As with most of the rest of his career, Hue Jackson is bluffing....


“Jimmy Haslam was happy while we kept losing,” Jackson tweeted.

Kimberly Diemert, executive director of the Hue Jackson Foundation, went even further.

“We have records that will help your case,” Diemert tweeted.

This isn’t the first time Jackson has tried to conjure an audience that would listen, but this time the Browns responded.

“The recent comments by Hue Jackson and his representatives relating to his tenure as our head coach are completely fabricated,” a team spokesperson said in a statement. “Any accusation that any member of our organization was incentivized to deliberately lose games is categorically false.”

Jackson went on ESPN’s SportsCenter and was given a national platform Wednesday night to reveal his evidence. What was his proof? Was he ordered to lose games? Was he paid to lose games?

“We were paid for — you’re going to see it as losing — but the way the team was built, there was no chance to win at a high level,” Jackson said.

But … that’s not what this is about. That’s not the same as what Flores is alleging. Not even close. Jackson is describing the same tanking that goes on in every sport across the land. He has been screaming the same talking points into the clouds since the Browns fired him in 2018.

Jackson, 56, insisted Wednesday he didn’t know what he was getting into when, in fact, he knew exactly what he was getting into because the Browns laid it out for him. There were no surprises or trap doors. There was no expectation to win during his first two years in charge. He knew that when he signed his four-year contract. A source with knowledge of the deal said there were no bonuses tied to winning — or losing — during the first two years.

There were most certainly bonuses tied to winning in the third and fourth years, according to the source with knowledge of Jackson’s deal.

“I have documentation that I think any coach would kind of cringe at if he saw it because it talked about things that had nothing to do with winning — aggregate rankings, being the youngest team, having so many draft picks,” Jackson said. “None of those things are what lead to winning.”
They lead to clear expectations of what is to come. No one was hiding from Jackson the fact the team wasn’t going to be very good in the first two years of the four-year plan. A flood of losses was coming. Everyone knew it. The leap was expected in the third year. When Jackson complained the Browns were destroying his career following a 1-31 record in his first two seasons, Haslam acquiesced and tacked a fifth year onto the back end of the deal, according to the source.

This wasn’t a team setting up a Black coach to fail, as Jackson is trying to convince us to believe. This was a team giving an extra year of security to a coach who hadn’t earned it. The Browns never went public with the extension because of how outrageous it would’ve appeared given his record.

He was finally fired after a 2-5-1 start to the 2018 season in his pivotal third year, departing with a 3-36-1 record. He was replaced by Gregg Williams, who went 5-3 over the second half of the season with the same roster. That’s where Jackson loses all credibility. Williams won more games in the second half of the 2018 season than Jackson won during his 2 1/2 years in charge.

Hue should have kept his yap shut but people love to jump in on this stuff.

[ptlyon]

Originally Posted by KINGPIN CHIEFS FAN

Funny that he doesn't address the fact that he was an hour late for the interview. Being on time would show that he was serious about the interview.

Things can get out of hand when people start buying rounds man

[MarkDavis'Haircut]

Originally Posted by GloucesterChief

Ditka was a HoF tight end as a player. Bird was a pretty good coach for the Pacers.

Ditka was the rare exception and not close to an elite NFL coach. Still pretty good, though.

[staylor26]

Brian Flores tells @NPR back channel convos influence hires.

“It was clear to me (Giants) decision was made with (Belichick) influence. That's part of the problem. That needs to change. There needs to be a fair and equal opportunity to interview and showcase your abilities.”

— Joe Schad (@schadjoe) February 3, 2022

Is this dude determined to burn every single bridge?

[Rain Man]

Originally Posted by staylor26

Brian Flores tells @NPR back channel convos influence hires.

“It was clear to me (Giants) decision was made with (Belichick) influence. That's part of the problem. That needs to change. There needs to be a fair and equal opportunity to interview and showcase your abilities.”

— Joe Schad (@schadjoe) February 3, 2022

Is this dude determined to burn every single bridge?

That's a 'do you know how the real world works' moment. Yes, if someone knows someone it makes a difference, and that's not bias. That's people processing information. Back channels usually work for a candidate but can also work against them if they have a bad relationship with someone.

The biggest WTF for me is why Belichick is involved in, or at least knowledgeable of, the coaching search of another team.

[The Franchise]

Belichick and the Giants go hand in hand, I believe. So I wouldn’t be surprised if they asked him opinions on Daboll and Flores. Or that they let him know ahead of time where they were leaning.