Chiefs start making cuts.

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PLAYERS RELEASED

Player - Position

Steven Baker - T

Josh Bellamy - WR

Jalil Brown

TE Kevin Brock

Malcolm Bronson - S

Greg Castillo - S

Kennard Cox - CB

Marcus Dixon - DL

Tommie Draheim - OL

Darin Drakeford - LB

Shaun Draughn - RB

Frankie Hammond Jr. - WR

Demetrius Harris - TE

Tysyn Hartman - DB

Austin Lane - DE

Orie Lemon - LB

Semaj Moody - CB

Toben Opurum - FB

Matt Reynolds - T

Rico Richardson - WR

Rokevious Watkins - OL

Ridge Wilson - LB/DE


WAIVED INJURED

Player - Position

Ricky Henry - G

ILB Zac Diles

Tony Moeaki - TE


Additionally, the team has waived/released the following six players: TE Kevin Brock, CB Jalil Brown, LB Zac Diles, S Bradley McDougald, DT Jerrell Powe and WR Devon Wylie.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by O.city

Does he need too?

If they're moving him to a DE role, I imagine he can be groomed into a role where he plays a bit of 5-technique, so I imagine he does. I feel like he walked into the draft as more of a DE/OLB tweener (skewed more to the DE) side, and now he should tween between DE and DT.

[Sorter]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

If they're moving him to a DE role, I imagine he can be groomed into a role where he plays a bit of 5-technique, so I imagine he does. I feel like he walked into the draft as more of a DE/OLB tweener (skewed more to the DE) side, and now he should tween between DE and DT.

If he's going to play DE on this team (and not purely be a sub-rushing 2/3 or 4tech), he's going to have to put on weight so he can play those techs plus the 5 and be solid against the run in base/titan packages.

Now, I don't really have a problem with him being groomed as a sub 3tech who can rush the passer but it'd be nice to have a DE that could do it all. Of course, every team wants one.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

I like the Cooper signing, but he's raw and probably needs seasoning. I can see Parker stepping in in nickel because of his experience and speed, even if I'm not crazy about him. I don't see Parker playing as a #1 or #2.

Which goes back to the original question of why Arenas isn't playing nickle/dime and competing for a starting nickel role, while you have someone like Cooper as your development guy to back up Flowers or Smith maybe a year from now, with Jalil Brown or some other veteran being a guy who can step in right away until Cooper is ready. I feel like we were a little reckless in handling our CB depth.

Problem is, you're only keeping so many corners, so it becomes a numbers game.

If smith or flowers go down, I don't think the difference in brown and one of these guys (who seem to have more upside, I dunno though) wouldn't be much different.

In the end, I don't think the difference between brown, arenas and the two we brought in is that significant at this point, and it seems they think the two we brought in have more upside.

I'll never get upset about making moves for more upside players like that, but when they're that young and that close to having to play a big role, it becomes worrisome

[O.city]

Originally Posted by Sorter

If he's going to play DE on this team (and not purely be a sub-rushing 2/3 or 4tech), he's going to have to put on weight so he can play those techs plus the 5 and be solid against the run in base/titan packages.

Now, I don't really have a problem with him being groomed as a sub 3tech who can rush the passer but it'd be nice to have a DE that could do it all. Of course, every team wants one.

I was gonna say, those don't exactly seem to be the norm.

If he's a sub three tech that excels at rushing the passer, that would be great though with as much as we're in those sets, especially against teams that aren't geared towards the run.

[L.A. Chieffan]

Hammond looked really good in that last preseason game too. AJ Jenkins better show some stuff on the field or I'm gonna be pissed

[Sorter]

Originally Posted by L.A. Chieffan

Hammond looked really good in that last preseason game too. AJ Jenkins better show some stuff on the field or I'm gonna be pissed

If he dies, he dies.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by O.city

Problem is, you're only keeping so many corners, so it becomes a numbers game.

If smith or flowers go down, I don't think the difference in brown and one of these guys (who seem to have more upside, I dunno though) wouldn't be much different.

In the end, I don't think the difference between brown, arenas and the two we brought in is that significant at this point, and it seems they think the two we brought in have more upside.

I'll never get upset about making moves for more upside players like that, but when they're that young and that close to having to play a big role, it becomes worrisome

I know we disagree on Brown, but can agree that it's not like it's outrageous he got cut (you're right... it's not going to be game-changing to lose him). I personally think he brings similar value as Parker as a CB but wins a tiebreaker hands down through special teams.

I actually disagree that the Arenas cut wasn't significant. I'm trying to understand it and just can't. He can step in tomorrow and be solid. He's young and can play for years. A headscratching move given our CB situation.

[L.A. Chieffan]

Originally Posted by Sorter

If he dies, he dies.

That's it, I'm going to some cabin in Siberia and start sprinting up mountains screaming, "SORTER! ! ! "

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by Sorter

If he's going to play DE on this team (and not purely be a sub-rushing 2/3 or 4tech), he's going to have to put on weight so he can play those techs plus the 5 and be solid against the run in base/titan packages.

Now, I don't really have a problem with him being groomed as a sub 3tech who can rush the passer but it'd be nice to have a DE that could do it all. Of course, every team wants one.

That's what I'm thinking too. The Ryan defense seems to like guys who can play multiple techniques, which is a reason I think Powe got cut. Even as a sub 3tech, he probably needs to add some weight. If he has the frame to get bigger and stronger, let's groom him to be a full time starter vs. a specialist.

It's funny that we've spent so much time getting non-pass rushing DTs and cutting them down to a DE/DT tweener. This seems really unique to take a DE who can pass rush and beefing him up. I really like it.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

I know we disagree on Brown, but can agree that it's not like it's outrageous he got cut (you're right... it's not going to be game-changing to lose him). I personally think he brings similar value as Parker as a CB but wins a tiebreaker hands down through special teams.

I actually disagree that the Arenas cut wasn't significant. I'm trying to understand it and just can't. He can step in tomorrow and be solid. He's young and can play for years. A headscratching move given our CB situation.

I don't really disagree with brown, I think he was an average 4th cb in th NFL. But yeah, he was cut so I'm not terribly upset there.

Iirc, arenas asked to be traded so I would imagine that's where that came from, after we signed Robinson.

[Sorter]

Originally Posted by L.A. Chieffan

That's it, I'm going to some cabin in Siberia and start sprinting up mountains screaming, "SORTER! ! ! "

I ruff you.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by BossChief

I didn't say any of that crap. All I said was "I'm surprised anyone gives a shit that we cut Jalil."

The dude got toasted game after game and was cut accordingly. He has been in the league long enough to start showing promise and that never happened.

Anyone that thinks guys like that shouldn't be part of a roster churning have too much emotional attachment to those players. I try not to get emotionally attached to many players, that includes Jalil Brown...who I spoke up about predraft quite a bit that year and called us drafting him in the draft thread.

There is nothing wrong with bringing in other players to replace stagnant ones.



My issue with Robibson is that he sucks and is out of gas at this point of his career and that was also the case last year.

Go back and watch Dexter McCluster own him in the opener last year.

And you guys acting like 3rd and 4th corners are insignificant are funny.

Nickel corners play the majority of the snaps in today's NFL.

You know what? The coaching staff agrees with me because they have taken Dante from the starting corner role...to taking him off the nickel role (for Hussain that hasn't played in over a year and is a safety) because the guy struggles covering receivers at this point in his career.

DJ, you went to camp...you couldn't have missed everyone running right by the guy.

Robinson didn't play when I was there - back issue, IIRC.

That's actually my biggest concern with him - lingering injuries. I worry, like SNR, that he'll be a guy that's constantly dinged and we'll hear excuses for him all year about bad hamstrings or a bad back keeping him from making the play. That said, when I was at camp I did notice that Robinson was an excellent teammate. He was constantly working with the guys out there.

Chiefs fans keep focusing on McCluster beating him up last year without looking at the entirety of his work. When you look at what he did over the entire year, he was actually a solid player, if an erratic one. After getting abused in week 1 and 5, he only surrendered one more TD in coverage all season. Moreover, with Grimes going down, Robinson was forced back out to an island and frankly, I just don't think he has the skills for that anymore. He still did a credible job out there though.

And you're absolutely right - teams are going to attack him, but again, it's all relative. Teams are going to attack whoever we put in as the NCB. The only way Robinson is "costing us games" is if he's failing in ways other similarly situated players wouldn't have. So it gets back to my original question - who's better at NCB?

You can argue that the Chiefs should have been - had they not traded Arenas. But that's a gripe for Dorsey, not Robinson. Robinson didn't make the trade. You can gripe that Robinson's overpaid - but again, that's a Dorsey problem, not Robinson. Personally, I'd have preferred see DRC brought in, but we'd have a similar cast of characters saying that he sucks, blah blah blah. DRC is on a 1 yr deal for $5 million whereas realistically, Robinson is on a 1 yr deal for about $4.75 or a 2 yr deal for $8.1. Those are both a little high to me, but not catastrophic.

Ultimately the problem is where we're starting from. We had holes to fill everywhere and only a few draft picks and FA to do it with. With so many holes we couldn't go after high priced FAs and the cheaper ones aren't ideal. FAs, but their definition, are guys that other teams didn't feel were good enough to find a way to keep and when you need to bring in 5 of them, you have to spread the money out pretty thin. Robinson, DRC, anybody else available as FAs in that price range were going to have warts. DRC's were that he wouldn't hit anyone and for a NCB, that's trouble - I want some physicality in my slot CB and it appears Dorsey does as well. So it's about choosing the warts that fit your team.

In the end, however, we have to live with the warts because this team was hot garbage. So while I wouldn't have chosen Robinson over other options, he's still a guy that's going to make this team better and frankly, he's a guy that was available.

In terms of pure talent and ability on the field, Robinson's no worse than an average NCB and I'd say he has a chance to be substantially better. The Broncos are better there than we are (Harris) and really, that's about it. Until Robinson's out there blowing coverages that the average NCB doesn't blow, I can't say he's 'costing us games'.

[Iowanian]

Given the turd this team has laid on the field for the past several years, I have emotional investment in very very few players who remained on the roster.

It's kind of a nice change of pace to see someone bring out a pooper scooper and haul off these turds. Brown was appropriately named because his play smelled like a burned turd.

[RealSNR]

Heh. DJ's slip-up of using McCluster when he meant Robinson was pretty timely.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by SNR

Heh. DJ's slip-up of using McCluster when he meant Robinson was pretty timely.

?

Didn't slip up. McCluster beat up on Robinson. Chiefs fans focus on that because...well it's the only time we ever saw McCluster beat anyone up.

But it's not a dispositive performance. Yeah, Robinson played like ass that day and he'll probably play like ass a time or two this year (he's erratic, as I have conceded).

But he's not garbage either.