Chiefs Alex Smith was not the problem Sunday, sorry haters. - Page 69

TigeRRUppeRRcut · 09:10 PM

Despite the common thought here that Alex Smith held down the team Sunday, Smith's overall production to the team yesterday graded out very positive in 3 rankings:
Smith: QBR 94.1, QB rating 99, PFF 71.9
Winston: QBR 83.6, QB rating 97, PFF 50.7

https://www.profootballfocus.com/pro...-for-bucs-win/

"Smith gained positive expected points (EPA) on 77 percent of his plays on Sunday, the second-highest rate for a QB in a game this season (Dak Prescott, 83 percent versus Chicago in Week 3). Put simply, more than three-fourths of his plays contributed to the team’s scoring margin, given the context and situation." - http://www.espn.com/blog/statsinfo/p...s-excels-again

This is why we should use our brains instead of repeating the garbage fed to us by Mellinger and Teicher. If Smith only had 34 plays yesterday to do something with the ball and earns both a rushing and passing TD, a FG, to 1 INT (first red zone interception since 2013) and completes an outstanding 77% of passes ... we should probably focus on the real problem yesterday: The Defense. Who didn't show up and allowed Winston/Martin to hold the ball for 35 minutes, earn 24 first downs, and convert 68% of 3rd downs (league average is 40%).

Against the Bucs...
Alex Smith: 1 INT, 99 QB rating
Philip Rivers: 2 INTs, 80 QB rating
Russell Wilson: 2 INTs, 39 QB rating
Drew Brees: 3 INTs, 49 QB rating

BigCatDaddy · 12-01-2016, 10:10 AM

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Originally Posted by PAChiefsGuy

Agreed which explains why the Broncos won the SB last year with a QB who threw 9 TDs 19 INTs during the regular season.

Stop it with this QB is all that matters crap. Football is a team game. Always has been and always will be. No one player wins by himself, ask any QB, GM, coach in the league and they'll say the same thing.

How many SBs did Dan Marino win?

Ever looked at the salary scale by position? Teams check books tells a different story.

O.city · 12-01-2016, 10:13 AM

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Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy

Ever looked at the salary scale by position? Teams check books tells a different story.

Well, it's all about super bowl wins, correct?

How many ha e been win with a qb making the big max deal?

threebag · 12-01-2016, 10:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Tuckdaddy

Alex has his moments. He has been nails in some games in particular certain moments but far to many the film break down show he's very conservative and inconsistent with scoring TD's and misses wide open receiver's too much.

His best asset is leadership and he doesn't throw int's much. In today's NFL those are still good traits to have but scoring is more important in my book the way games are played.

His scoring issue has really came to light this season because our running game has gone down hill. We don't run the ball like we should and that puts more on him to throw td's, of which he doesn't do much of.

I hear some voice of reason. The running game is the arrow in the heel so to speak. If the team gets healthy and the O can get it firing on a few more cylinders it would at least give a few more a "warm fuzzy".

RunKC · 12-01-2016, 10:21 AM

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Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy

Ever looked at the salary scale by position? Teams check books tells a different story.

There's only like 4 difference making QB's in the league.

O.city · 12-01-2016, 10:25 AM

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Originally Posted by RunKC

There's only like 4 difference making QB's in the league.

There isn't the big hall of famer like there once was, but qb play is still good.

BigCatDaddy · 12-01-2016, 10:26 AM

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Originally Posted by O.city

Well, it's all about super bowl wins, correct?

How many ha e been win with a qb making the big max deal?

So you are against signing the best QB in the league if it requires a max deal?

Obviously the smart play is to draft a guy while he's cheap and build around him if he turns out to be good.

**The Franchise** · 12-01-2016, 10:27 AM

Who needs a QB:

Steelers - No
Browns - Yes
Bengals - No
Ravens - Maybe

Titans - No
Texans - No (contract)
Colts - No
Jags - Maybe but I'm going to go with No

Broncos - No
Chargers - No
Raiders - No
Chiefs - Maybe but we're not talking about them right now.

Patriots - No
Bills - Maybe
Jets - Yes
Dolphins - Tannehill has been playing better as of late....so I'll go no.

Cowboys - No
Giants - Maybe
Eagles - No
Redskins - Yes (although they could always just give Cousins a contract)

Falcons - No
Saints - No
Bucs - No
Panthers - No

Seahawks - No
Cardinals - Yes
49ers - Yes
Rams - No

Vikings - Maybe
Packers - No
Lions - No
Bears - Yes

So that's 6 teams who absolutely need one and 6 teams who might need to start looking at one.

mcaj22 · 12-01-2016, 10:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Pestilence

Who needs a QB:

Steelers - No
Browns - Yes
Bengals - No
Ravens - Maybe

Titans - No
Texans - No (contract)
Colts - No
Jags - Maybe but I'm going to go with No

Broncos - No
Chargers - No
Raiders - No
Chiefs - Maybe but we're not talking about them right now.

Patriots - No
Bills - Maybe
Jets - Yes
Dolphins - Tannehill has been playing better as of late....so I'll go no.

Cowboys - No
Giants - Maybe
Eagles - No
Redskins - Yes (although they could always just give Cousins a contract)

Falcons - No
Saints - No
Bucs - No
Panthers - No

Seahawks - No
Cardinals - Yes
49ers - Yes
Rams - No

Vikings - Maybe
Packers - No
Lions - No
Bears - Yes

So that's 6 teams who absolutely need one and 6 teams who might need to start looking at one.

Tannehill leads the NFL in most explosive plays (over 20 yards) lol

threebag · 12-01-2016, 10:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Pestilence

Who needs a QB:

Steelers - No
Browns - Yes
Bengals - No
Ravens - Maybe

Titans - No
Texans - No (contract)
Colts - No
Jags - Maybe but I'm going to go with No

Broncos - No
Chargers - No
Raiders - No
Chiefs - Maybe but we're not talking about them right now.

Patriots - No
Bills - Maybe
Jets - Yes
Dolphins - Tannehill has been playing better as of late....so I'll go no.

Cowboys - No
Giants - Maybe
Eagles - No
Redskins - Yes (although they could always just give Cousins a contract)

Falcons - No
Saints - No
Bucs - No
Panthers - No

Seahawks - No
Cardinals - Yes
49ers - Yes
Rams - No

Vikings - Maybe
Packers - No
Lions - No
Bears - Yes

So that's 6 teams who absolutely need one and 6 teams who might need to start looking at one.

Too bad they didn't just grow on trees.

O.city · 12-01-2016, 10:30 AM

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Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy

So the best quarterbacks for the ones making max deals?

We've seen that once teams have to pay this qbs absurd deals, the odds of them winning superbowls have decreased.

Admittedly I jumped in to you guys conversation not really reading all of it, just stating that highly paid qbs don't seem to be translating to super bowl wins

**The Franchise** · 12-01-2016, 10:30 AM

Of the teams that I listed as a maybe......you could possibly remove the Jags (Bortles is still cheap), the Vikings (because they'll have Bradford and Bridgewater coming back from injury) and the Bills (if they think that Taylor is worth that contract.

rico · 12-01-2016, 10:31 AM

Man, it'd be frustrating as shit to be a Texans fan right now.

O.city · 12-01-2016, 10:31 AM

Yeah, I'd take tannehill here

threebag · 12-01-2016, 10:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Pestilence

Of the teams that I listed as a maybe......you could possibly remove the Jags (Bortles is still cheap), the Vikings (because they'll have Bradford and Bridgewater coming back from injury) and the Bills (if they think that Taylor is worth that contract.

Bridgewater is probably done.

threebag · 12-01-2016, 10:36 AM

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Originally Posted by O.city

Yeah, I'd take tannehill here

He would have probably been nice to draft. He seems to be panning out.

11-21-2016, 09:33 AM
TigeRRUppeRRcut Banned Join Date: Dec 2014 Location: 19th Hole Casino cash: $10004725	Alex Smith is a solid QB, sorry haters. Bucs win 5th game in a row. Despite the common thought here that Alex Smith held down the team Sunday, Smith's overall production to the team yesterday graded out very positive in 3 rankings: Smith: QBR 94.1, QB rating 99, PFF 71.9 Winston: QBR 83.6, QB rating 97, PFF 50.7 https://www.profootballfocus.com/pro...-for-bucs-win/ "Smith gained positive expected points (EPA) on 77 percent of his plays on Sunday, the second-highest rate for a QB in a game this season (Dak Prescott, 83 percent versus Chicago in Week 3). Put simply, more than three-fourths of his plays contributed to the team’s scoring margin, given the context and situation." - http://www.espn.com/blog/statsinfo/p...s-excels-again This is why we should use our brains instead of repeating the garbage fed to us by Mellinger and Teicher. If Smith only had 34 plays yesterday to do something with the ball and earns both a rushing and passing TD, a FG, to 1 INT (first red zone interception since 2013) and completes an outstanding 77% of passes ... we should probably focus on the real problem yesterday: The Defense. Who didn't show up and allowed Winston/Martin to hold the ball for 35 minutes, earn 24 first downs, and convert 68% of 3rd downs (league average is 40%). Against the Bucs... Alex Smith: 1 INT, 99 QB rating Philip Rivers: 2 INTs, 80 QB rating Russell Wilson: 2 INTs, 39 QB rating Drew Brees: 3 INTs, 49 QB rating Last edited by TigeRRUppeRRcut; 12-11-2016 at 09:10 PM..
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The Franchise Most Valuable Villain Join Date: Dec 2006 Casino cash: $2065047	Who needs a QB: Steelers - No Browns - Yes Bengals - No Ravens - Maybe Titans - No Texans - No (contract) Colts - No Jags - Maybe but I'm going to go with No Broncos - No Chargers - No Raiders - No Chiefs - Maybe but we're not talking about them right now. Patriots - No Bills - Maybe Jets - Yes Dolphins - Tannehill has been playing better as of late....so I'll go no. Cowboys - No Giants - Maybe Eagles - No Redskins - Yes (although they could always just give Cousins a contract) Falcons - No Saints - No Bucs - No Panthers - No Seahawks - No Cardinals - Yes 49ers - Yes Rams - No Vikings - Maybe Packers - No Lions - No Bears - Yes So that's 6 teams who absolutely need one and 6 teams who might need to start looking at one.
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