***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[sedated]

Originally Posted by Bob Dole

Holy crap.

21 million fewer cellphone users in China may reveal true death toll

https://metrovoicenews.com/21-millio...-q3O7E7D8NGCo0

It may be due to cancellations of secondary phones, but still alarming.

Also alarming is that the end of the article says that the death rate in Italy is 9%, and that China's reported death rate of 4% was likely underreported. So is this thing really killing nearly 10% instead of the previous 2-3% estimate?

[phisherman]

Originally Posted by Mecca

If that is true, that is serious as **** and why everyone is flipping out.

Gotta love China and their information suppression. They're going to be the ultimate scapegoat at the end of all this.

[Donger]

Originally Posted by Mecca

If that is true, that is serious as **** and why everyone is flipping out.

It's spreading on rather questionable websites, so I'd talk it a with a large grain of salt.

[BleedingRed]

Originally Posted by Donger

Looks like NY is already up to 5,000 today again. Hope it holds under 10,000

Originally Posted by Bob Dole

Holy crap.

21 million fewer cellphone users in China may reveal true death toll

https://metrovoicenews.com/21-millio...-q3O7E7D8NGCo0

jesus if this is true its the greatest cover up of human history.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by Donger

California showing 133 new cases today. Keep at it, you guys.

I'm going out (again!) today for goods.

Fortunately, I remembered purchasing N95 masks years ago for a project in my garage and last night, I found one.

We also have a large box of medical gloves and non-N95 masks (my wife has always made everyone in our home wear a mask when sick-I guess it's truly an "Asian" thing), so I'll be wearing both from now on when going out in public until this is over.

[Mecca]

Originally Posted by BleedingRed

jesus if this is true its the greatest cover up of human history.

Well it's China......it would also explain why they were literally hosing cities with disinfectant.

[BleedingRed]

actually reasonable explanation for decrease in cell phones is their call farms they have setup. but I'm sure the truth is somewhere between these numbers.

[Donger]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

I'm going out (again!) today for goods.

Fortunately, I remembered purchasing N95 masks years ago for a project in my garage and last night, I found one.

We also have a large box of medical gloves and non-N95 masks (my wife has always made everyone in our home wear a mask when sick-I guess it's truly an "Asian" thing), so I'll be wearing both from now on when going out in public until this is over.

Nice haul. Just remember that gloves don't do crap if you still touch your face, rub your eyes, pick your nose, etc.

[O.city]

If 21 million people are dead, that would mean about 500 million got it and are now immune. I'm gonna say that's not what happened.

[RINGLEADER]

Originally Posted by sedated

It may be due to cancellations of secondary phones, but still alarming.

Also alarming is that the end of the article says that the death rate in Italy is 9%, and that China's reported death rate of 4% was likely underreported. So is this thing really killing nearly 10% instead of the previous 2-3% estimate?

It’s hard to get an accurate gauge of the death rate in REPORTED cases (which does look to be slightly above 10%) and it is impossible to get an accurate tabulation when factoring in ALL cases since so many (some reports say up to 50%) are never tested and never added to the numbers. Could be half the reported number, could be 1/100th — we just don’t know and probably never will.

The death rate also seems to be impacted greatly based on if your health care system is overrun, making the use of ventilators a key component to the equation.

[BleedingRed]

Originally Posted by O.city

If 21 million people are dead, that would mean about 500 million got it and are now immune. I'm gonna say that's not what happened.

yeah I'm sure 21 Million didnt die, but does anyone believe only 3k died in China.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by BleedingRed

yeah I'm sure 21 Million didnt die, but does anyone believe only 3k died in China.

Very doubtful.

I'm also skeptical on the 80k number of infections. A lot of these numbers are based on reporting and not every country reports similar.

Like Italy's death count. They do it a little different than everywhere else it seems.

[Mecca]

Originally Posted by BleedingRed

yeah I'm sure 21 Million didnt die, but does anyone believe only 3k died in China.

If we're being fair China likely has the most infections and deaths by far even though their numbers contradict that.

[displacedinMN]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

I'm going out (again!) today for goods.

Fortunately, I remembered purchasing N95 masks years ago for a project in my garage and last night, I found one.

We also have a large box of medical gloves and non-N95 masks (my wife has always made everyone in our home wear a mask when sick-I guess it's truly an "Asian" thing), so I'll be wearing both from now on when going out in public until this is over.

I know I posted before. I found 2 Home Depot maks from painting. Labeled N95. Sent them to my Father in law in Indio. He is so damn hell bent on coming back. So they can use those on the plane.

Wish he would stay in his home in CA instead of coming back to his apartment of old people here.


JUST FOUND OUT-his flight has been cancelled!!!!!

[dirk digler]

Check out your state\county social distance score


https://www.unacast.com/covid19/soci...ing-scoreboard