College athletes on their way to a union.

[ForeverChiefs58]

It's all about the money, and the money will ruin it all

[Mosbonian]

It would be an interesting study on the comments here to find out:

1) Of those in favor of unionizing, how many were college athletes?

2) How many on here commenting wonder if the decision might also trigger a lawsuit to make the NCAA cough up money from the past that it made on athletes?

[WhawhaWhat]

The NBA should convert the D-League into an under 22 league and go around the NCAA altogether now. Put teams in cities that don't have NBA teams like KC, Louisville and even cities that do like NY, LA and Charlotte (barely has an NBA team anyway).

NFL could do the same thing.

[13and3]

Simply put, All you haters are just jealous.

[13and3]

If I had to profile the average football or basketball college athlete, a tall, muscular, young black man, tattoos, sagging pants, unkept hair and or braids. . His hobbies are rapping, playing xbox, banging hot chicks, handing out with his old hoodlum friends, and maybe smoking a little weed.

The profile of the average college sports fan is the exact opposite, white dude, decent job, doesn't sag pants, has to work hard every day, occasional drinker, not totally immersed in hip hop culture.

These two people have nothing in common, I would venture to say if your average college alumni saw a group of these young men on the plaza or the zoo and did not recognize them they would cross the street as they approached.

My point is of course you want these young men to be broke, it is the only way you can rationalize your support of them. If they make as much or more than you, then they turn into professional athletes and the innocence we like to pretend they have is taken away. And all we are left with is the fact we are rooting for someone who is different then us and has it much better than us in almost every way, its unacceptable and it sucks to be you.

[GloryDayz]

Originally Posted by 13and3

If I had to profile the average football or basketball college athlete, a tall, muscular, young black man, tattoos, sagging pants, unkept hair and or braids. . His hobbies are rapping, playing xbox, banging hot chicks, handing out with his old hoodlum friends, and maybe smoking a little weed.

The profile of the average college sports fan is the exact opposite, white dude, decent job, doesn't sag pants, has to work hard every day, occasional drinker, not totally immersed in hip hop culture.

These two people have nothing in common, I would venture to say if your average college alumni saw a group of these young men on the plaza or the zoo and did not recognize them they would cross the street as they approached.

My point is of course you want these young men to be broke, it is the only way you can rationalize your support of them. If they make as much or more than you, then they turn into professional athletes and the innocence we like to pretend they have is taken away. And all we are left with is the fact we are rooting for someone who is different then us and has it much better than us in almost every way, its unacceptable and it sucks to be you.

Wait, what???? WOW, just wow!!

OK, that post might win for "dumb post of the day"...

[13and3]

Originally Posted by GloryDayz

Wait, what???? WOW, just wow!!

OK, that post might win for "dumb post of the day"...

Why?

[13and3]

We might like to pretend they are all just good kids playing for free at our favorite universities, but the simple fact is, is that without their athletic abilities these kids are on the most part are loosers. Without the ability to play some sort of ball on high level they are not making good life decisions . Why do you think they waste their free education on bullshit degrees?
I grew up in the hood myself and what I quickly learned is that hanging out on the basketball court in the hood is dangerous and detrimental. Young black children spend way to much time chasing hoop dreams and buying into this rap star, basketball player bullshit hype. Less than 1 percent ever make it, and when they do they perpetuate this life style to the next generation further. I've met plenty of people who love college hoops but hate the NBA, they never can give a good reason why. The why is is that the money and fame tells peels back the facade and tells us what we already knew and we didn't want to admit, we don't like thugs, unless they help my Alma mater when a championship.

[Mecca]

Originally Posted by 13and3

We might like to pretend they are all just good kids playing for free at our favorite universities, but the simple fact is, is that without their athletic abilities these kids are on the most part are loosers. Without the ability to play some sort of ball on high level they are not making good life decisions . Why do you think they waste their free education on bullshit degrees?
I grew up in the hood myself and what I quickly learned is that hanging out on the basketball court in the hood is dangerous and detrimental. Young black children spend way to much time chasing hoop dreams and buying into this rap star, basketball player bullshit hype. Less than 1 percent ever make it, and when they do they perpetuate this life style to the next generation further. I've met plenty of people who love college hoops but hate the NBA, they never can give a good reason why. The why is is that the money and fame tells peels back the facade and tells us what we already knew and we didn't want to admit, we don't like thugs, unless they help my Alma mater when a championship.

People need to get over the money thing, I don't watch sports and think about how much the players make.

I think the reason the NBA is not popular is because the thug aspect is right in front of everyone's face because of the uniform. Where as the thug aspect of the NFL is more hidden.

Then you factor in that the vast majority of fans especially ones that pay money to go to the games are middle to old aged white people then you see why the NBA isn't popular. The NFL instituted and shit ton of rules because the last thing they wanted was the "thugs took over the game" perception basketball has.

And of course baseball, hockey and soccer don't have these issues they just aren't popular because they're either slow or to foreign in concept.

[GloryDayz]

Originally Posted by 13and3

Why?

"The profile of the average college sports fan is the exact opposite, white dude, decent job, doesn't sag pants, has to work hard every day, occasional drinker, not totally immersed in hip hop culture."

You just painted with one hell of a broad brush! I'm sure there are a few people who want it, but the "average" fan may not dress like what you say, but I'm not sure you can say that because they don't dress the same they want them poor!

So yeah, I don't wear baggy pants, and what I think about that fashion isn't relevant. Gut I can tell you this, I'm white and I think I've been a pretty big advocate for the kids getting in on the coin since the balloon of profit has spiraled to epic levels.

But I also think "the kids" should have to be students first. Make it to class, earn their way into college academically, and not get revolving breaks. Not because of the color of their skin, but because they're taking a spot for a kid (of ANY color!!) who tried harder in school. I don't care how few it is, and how some schools DO achieve, the problem are these kids are the face of these schools, and they don't represent the education part of the college.

But int he end, if these kids are playing something that bring money into the school "hand over fist", yeah, they deserve a cut of the loot..

But in the end you sound like you just can't stand kids who are "yuppies" and don't dress in a manner that's often associated with "thug". Dressing the part may not make you a thug, but it's not like you're still not dressing like a thug. If that bothers you, deal with it!

[13and3]

Originally Posted by GloryDayz

"The profile of the average college sports fan is the exact opposite, white dude, decent job, doesn't sag pants, has to work hard every day, occasional drinker, not totally immersed in hip hop culture."

You just painted with one hell of a broad brush! I'm sure there are a few people who want it, but the "average" fan may not dress like what you say, but I'm not sure you can say that because they don't dress the same they want them poor!

So yeah, I don't wear baggy pants, and what I think about that fashion isn't relevant. Gut I can tell you this, I'm white and I think I've been a pretty big advocate for the kids getting in on the coin since the balloon of profit has spiraled to epic levels.

But I also think "the kids" should have to be students first. Make it to class, earn their way into college academically, and not get revolving breaks. Not because of the color of their skin, but because they're taking a spot for a kid (of ANY color!!) who tried harder in school. I don't care how few it is, and how some schools DO achieve, the problem are these kids are the face of these schools, and they don't represent the education part of the college.

But int he end, if these kids are playing something that bring money into the school "hand over fist", yeah, they deserve a cut of the loot..

But in the end you sound like you just can't stand kids who are "yuppies" and don't dress in a manner that's often associated with "thug". Dressing the part may not make you a thug, but it's not like you're still not dressing like a thug. If that bothers you, deal with it!

I ask you, do you or do you not recognize or know that there are a shit ton of people who love them some KU basketball, but can give two shits about the NBA? Mario Chalmers, an all time great at KU has two championships wtih the Miami Heat, where are all the die hard Heat fans from KU?

[WhawhaWhat]

Originally Posted by 13and3

If I had to profile the average football or basketball college athlete, a tall, muscular, young black man, tattoos, sagging pants, unkept hair and or braids. . His hobbies are rapping, playing xbox, banging hot chicks, handing out with his old hoodlum friends, and maybe smoking a little weed.

The profile of the average college sports fan is the exact opposite, white dude, decent job, doesn't sag pants, has to work hard every day, occasional drinker, not totally immersed in hip hop culture.

These two people have nothing in common, I would venture to say if your average college alumni saw a group of these young men on the plaza or the zoo and did not recognize them they would cross the street as they approached.

My point is

Ugh.. finally.

Originally Posted by 13and3

of course you want these young men to be broke, it is the only way you can rationalize your support of them. If they make as much or more than you, then they turn into professional athletes and the innocence we like to pretend they have is taken away. And all we are left with is the fact we are rooting for someone who is different than us and has it much better than us in almost every way, its unacceptable and it sucks to be you.

All that reading just for this. When athletes get paid, nobody likes them anymore because they are better than average Joe.

This must be why nobody watches professional sports... or buys their jerseys... or attends autograph sessions at the local grocery store.

[13and3]

Originally Posted by WhawhaWhat

Ugh.. finally.




All that reading just for this. When athletes get paid, nobody likes them anymore because they are better than average Joe.

This must be why nobody watches professional sports... or buys their jerseys... or attends autograph sessions at the local grocery store.

You cant claim that there isn't a huge demographic out there who loves college sports but rarely watches anything professional. I meet people like this all the time.

[Mecca]

Originally Posted by 13and3

You cant claim that there isn't a huge demographic out there who loves college sports but rarely watches anything professional. I meet people like this all the time.

Yea those people seem to think college athletes are more organic or something which is kinda bullshit.

[permachief]

If its decided that these athletes are "employees" of the school, are these "employees" going to start getting a W-2 for the value of their full-ride scholarships since this is their "employee" compensation? Are these new "employees" ready to start paying Fed and state taxes on their "employee" compensation like the rest of us?