Chiefs Is Haley on the hook for Cassel? - Page 7

LaChapelle · 04-26-2009, 03:19 PM

Herm's future rode on Brodie, to an extent. 3rd rounder.
DV's on Green. 1st rounder.
Gunther's on Grbac. Okay not really. Marty and Carl's baby.

If Cassel flops is Haley's butt out the door?

Sweet Daddy Hate · 04-26-2009, 07:36 PM

I want the Chiefs to win, I'd just like to watch something actually exciting while they're doing it.

SenselessChiefsFan · 04-26-2009, 07:37 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz

Weren't you also saying that there was no way he was a top 10, let alone top 5, QB?

Yeah, I think I said that. I think my biggest point was that he wouldn't have been a top ten in most drafts.

Would Tyson Jackson be the #3 pick in most drafts? Would Adam Curry warrant the 4th pick in most drafts?

No. Sanchez benefited from a weak class. Good for him.

**DeezNutz** · 04-26-2009, 07:39 PM

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Originally Posted by SensibleChiefsfan

No. Sanchez benefited from a weak class. Good for him.

We'll agree to disagree, then.

Every single former pro who was working as an analyst this weekend (ESPN) was slobbering all over the guy.

This would have been the case every single year.

SenselessChiefsFan · 04-26-2009, 07:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

Yea and he's a rapist and doesn't listen to his coach and yadda yadda...I think Mark Sanchez stuck a broom up his ass or something.

I am not talking about his off field stuff at all. Luckily he had a nice controlled pro day to overcome his pathetic combine workout.

SenselessChiefsFan · 04-26-2009, 07:41 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz

It's also become apparent why Pete C. was lobbying to have him return to school. Terrible, terrible decision that Mark made.

You do realize that Carroll wasn't worried about where he was drafted, but rather, what he actually accomplished when he got to the NFL.

**DeezNutz** · 04-26-2009, 07:43 PM

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Originally Posted by SensibleChiefsfan

You do realize that Carroll wasn't worried about where he was drafted, but rather, what he actually accomplished when he got to the NFL.

Uh...a lot of the initial "reports" that many on here were quoting was that the draft advisory committee was giving Sanchez a second-round grade.

This crap was parroted numerous times on this board. And one of the reasons that Carroll was making the recommendation was that he thought Sanchez had the possibility to go #1 overall next year.

SenselessChiefsFan · 04-26-2009, 07:44 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz

We'll agree to disagree, then.

Every single former pro who was working as an analyst this weekend (ESPN) was slobbering all over the guy.

This would have been the case every single year.

BS. First, they talk highly of just about every prospect. They also play up the top talent. This is still 'entertainment'.

If Stafford and Sanchez had stayed in school, they would be singing the praises of Josh Freeman.

SenselessChiefsFan · 04-26-2009, 07:45 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz

Uh...a lot of the initial "reports" that many on here were quoting was that the draft advisory committee was giving Sanchez a second-round grade.

This crap was parroted numerous times on this board. And one of the reasons that Carroll was making the recommendation was that he thought Sanchez had the possibility to go #1 overall next year.

No, Carroll talked to Sanchez about his lack of experience and the success rate of QB's that are drafted as underclassmen. That 60% of them bust, and that they have much more experience than Sancez.

It was never about where he would drafted.

**DeezNutz** · 04-26-2009, 07:45 PM

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Originally Posted by SensibleChiefsfan

BS. First, they talk highly of just about every prospect. They also play up the top talent. This is still 'entertainment'.

If Stafford and Sanchez had stayed in school, they would be singing the praises of Josh Freeman.

No ****ing way. No. ****ing. Way.

Sanchez is a top prospect in any year.

No argument about the entertainment aspect, but this does not undercut the kid's talent.

**DeezNutz** · 04-26-2009, 07:46 PM

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Originally Posted by SensibleChiefsfan

No, Carroll talked to Sanchez about his lack of experience and the success rate of QB's that are drafted as underclassmen. That 60% of them bust, and that they have much more experience than Sancez.

It was never about where he would drafted.

The draft was part of it. Yes, it absolutely was.

SenselessChiefsFan · 04-26-2009, 07:56 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz

The draft was part of it. Yes, it absolutely was.

Okay, I give.

I shouldn't have even went this way with this thread.

The reality is that IF Sanchez becomes a star, and IF Cassel bombs, and IF the Chiefs aren't winning... then he will look poorly for this offseason.

htismaqe · 04-26-2009, 08:03 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

Of course there's a chance that Cassel becomes a franchise guy. But you'd have to honestly be either the most ardent homer on earth, not know what your looking at, or just flat-out be afraid to spend a high draft pick on a QB to think that Cassel represents a BETTER chance of being a franchise QB than Sanchez.

I don't think Cassel has a better chance, but he has a chance and that's ALL we have at this point. I watch football for fun. If I wanted to be pissed off all the time, I'd stay at my office and never come home.

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I hope like hell I'm 110% dead wrong on this, and I'll be more than happy to eat all the crow that y'all can serve me the day Matt Cassel puts this team on his back and wins a championship like a franchise QB is expected to do.

I understand. It will certainly be interesting. Sanchez certainly has as much of an uphill battle as Cassel - neither the Chiefs nor the Jets have great histories when it comes to playoff wins and getting to the Super Bowl.

htismaqe · 04-26-2009, 08:04 PM

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Originally Posted by SensibleChiefsfan

Sure, they will be linked, but Pioli won't loose his job. No single mistake will cause his termination.

It will be based on his entire body of work.

Cassel's 26 years old. Cassel's tenure here will be his entire body of work. Unless you think he's gonna get two ****ing decades like Carl, and I can tell you that ain't happening.

htismaqe · 04-26-2009, 08:08 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

I understand. It will certainly be interesting. Sanchez certainly has as much of an uphill battle as Cassel - neither the Chiefs nor the Jets have great histories when it comes to playoff wins and getting to the Super Bowl.

I take this back. Sanchez has a bigger uphill battle.

Every time they talk about him on NFLN, they talk about how enamored Brian Schottenheimer is. I know if he was my QB I would want him in the hands of Brian Schottenheimer.

Mecca · 04-26-2009, 08:24 PM

Yea they'll just talk up any QB I remember Tony Banks and Jim Drunkenmiller being slobbered over and being pushed into the top 5 because they were the only QB's in their classes...oh shit...wait...

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Mecca Hockey Town Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Kansas City, Missouri Casino cash: $2237050	Yea they'll just talk up any QB I remember Tony Banks and Jim Drunkenmiller being slobbered over and being pushed into the top 5 because they were the only QB's in their classes...oh shit...wait...
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