ChiefsPlanet Brandon Flowers restructures to help KC - Page 7

aturnis · 09-04-2013, 03:45 PM

Also I think you guys need to settle down. This was likely just a move to get us under the cap. Doubtful we sign anyone.

mcaj22 · 09-04-2013, 04:07 PM

even with the god awful QBs his whole career, I am pretty sure on paper, Bowe has a statistical sample that is top 5 WR numbers, at least prior to last season he did

**Mav** · 09-04-2013, 04:10 PM

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Originally Posted by mcaj22

even with the god awful QBs his whole career, I am pretty sure on paper, Bowe has a statistical sample that is top 5 WR numbers, at least prior to last season he did

Do you do fantasy drafts?

I don't think its Bowes fault that he is regularly one of the very last number one receivers taken off the board.

He is a bonafide number one receiver. Just his qb situation is killing him.

mcaj22 · 09-04-2013, 04:13 PM

if you are measuring where guys are picked in Joe Blow's Backyard Summer Fantasy League as a measure of who the average middle aged man thinks is a top 5 player at a position

then lol

ThaVirus · 09-04-2013, 04:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Laz

good ... yes
very good ... probably
elite ... i don't think so

I think Flowers has physical limitations that keeps him from be elite.

no insult to Flowers ... he is a good player and i love having him on the team.

I just consider Elite as being a real force during the game. A player that alters the game plan of the other team. Game changer.

I don't buy that physical limitation stuff. There have been tons of guys throughout the history of the league that weren't the biggest, strongest or fastest that have carved out a pretty good legacy.

Emmitt Smith, Drew Brees, Jerry Rice.. Those guys were/are hardly physical specimens.

Mr. Laz · 09-17-2013, 05:36 PM

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I don't buy that physical limitation stuff. There have been tons of guys throughout the history of the league that weren't the biggest, strongest or fastest that have carved out a pretty good legacy.

Emmitt Smith, Drew Brees, Jerry Rice.. Those guys were/are hardly physical specimens.

Do you buy it now?

ThaVirus · 09-17-2013, 05:54 PM

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Do you buy it now?

It was Dez Bryant for God's sake. If he had the focus of an Andre Johnson or Fitzgerald he'd be damn near on Megatron's level.

-King- · 09-17-2013, 05:54 PM

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Do you buy it now?

So one bad game and he's physically limited? List your top 5 corners. Lets see how many bad games they've had.
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ThaVirus · 09-17-2013, 06:02 PM

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So one bad game and he's physically limited? List your top 5 corners. Lets see how many bad games they've had.
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.. And how many of them have ever been asked to shadow Dez Bryant for 100% of a game with minimal help.

ToxSocks · 09-04-2013, 04:37 PM

According to Le'Ron McClain, Houston is the better player and is stronger against the run.

AussieChiefsFan · 09-04-2013, 11:56 PM

Doing a good thing for the team. He's deserves more, but he's a team player. Kudos to him.

**BossChief** · 09-17-2013, 06:12 PM

Sorry, but Flowers isn't an elite corner. He is in tier 2.

The elite players we have:

Justin Houston
Derrick Johnson
Jamaal Charles

Tier 2:

Dwayne Bowe
Brandon Flowers
Dontari Poe (by years end, he will be considered elite IMO)
Branden Albert
Tamba Hali
Eric Berry (could be elite by years end)

Tier 3

Jon Asamoah
Alex Smith
Anthony Fasano
Hussein Abdullah
Sean Smith

Guys that are on the cusp of being in tier 3:

Dexter McCluster (needs to clean up turnovers and work on being less predictable)
Junior Hemmingway (needs to get on the field)
Tyson Jackson (needs to show ability to be an average pass rush threat)
Mike Devito (see:Tyson Jackson)
Rodney Hudson (needs to do a much better job of identifying blitzers and getting his counts right)
Donnie Avery (consistency)
Kendrick Lewis (needs to grow a pair of balls in run support)

I see an "elite" player as one that is clearly in the same class as the best in his position. Guys that can match up with anyone in the world and win individual matchups against them consistently. Every year there are 2-3 receivers that Flowers simply can't handle without a second defender being put over the top.

Therefore, I don't consider him elite.

ToxSocks · 09-17-2013, 06:24 PM

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Originally Posted by BossChief

Sorry, but Flowers isn't an elite corner. He is in tier 2.

The elite players we have:

Justin Houston
Derrick Johnson
Jamaal Charles

Tier 2:

Dwayne Bowe
Brandon Flowers
Dontari Poe (by years end, he will be considered elite IMO)
Branden Albert
Tamba Hali
Eric Berry (could be elite by years end)

Tier 3

Jon Asamoah
Alex Smith
Anthony Fasano
Hussein Abdullah
Sean Smith

Guys that are on the cusp of being in tier 3:

Dexter McCluster (needs to clean up turnovers and work on being less predictable)
Junior Hemmingway (needs to get on the field)
Tyson Jackson (needs to show ability to be an average pass rush threat)
Mike Devito (see:Tyson Jackson)
Rodney Hudson (needs to do a much better job of identifying blitzers and getting his counts right)
Donnie Avery (consistency)
Kendrick Lewis (needs to grow a pair of balls in run support)

I see an "elite" player as one that is clearly in the same class as the best in his position. Guys that can match up with anyone in the world and win individual matchups against them consistently. Every year there are 2-3 receivers that Flowers simply can't handle without a second defender being put over the top.

Therefore, I don't consider him elite.

Your tiers are way off dude. Justin Houston is Tier one? Wtf? The guy had one decent season, settle down with that.

Poe tier 2? C'mon. Just like with Houston, that's your inner homer talking. The guy has had two freaking good games.

Your list is full blown homerism.

It's laughable that you'd list Houston over proven commodities like Flowers and Bowe.

**Rausch** · 09-17-2013, 06:27 PM

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It's laughable that you'd list Houston over proven commodities like Flowers and Bowe.

Houston is an excellent pass rusher, solid vs the run, and very good in coverage. He has the complete game.

He'll end up with 10+ sacks this season.

ToxSocks · 09-17-2013, 06:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Rausch

Houston is an excellent pass rusher, solid vs the run, and very good in coverage. He has the complete game.

He'll end up with 10+ sacks this season.

I have no issue with Houston and agree he's a great player. But, 10+ sacks doesn't make him elite. 16+ Sacks is an elite mark these days. It hilarious that Hali is considered Tier 2, but Houston is Tier one.

Houston has more potential than Hali, sure, but he doesn't have near the resume.

Full. Blown. Homerism.

09-04-2013, 03:45 PM	#1
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09-17-2013, 06:12 PM	#12
BossChief SuperBowl or bust Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: BF Iowa Casino cash: $1514088	Sorry, but Flowers isn't an elite corner. He is in tier 2. The elite players we have: Justin Houston Derrick Johnson Jamaal Charles Tier 2: Dwayne Bowe Brandon Flowers Dontari Poe (by years end, he will be considered elite IMO) Branden Albert Tamba Hali Eric Berry (could be elite by years end) Tier 3 Jon Asamoah Alex Smith Anthony Fasano Hussein Abdullah Sean Smith Guys that are on the cusp of being in tier 3: Dexter McCluster (needs to clean up turnovers and work on being less predictable) Junior Hemmingway (needs to get on the field) Tyson Jackson (needs to show ability to be an average pass rush threat) Mike Devito (see:Tyson Jackson) Rodney Hudson (needs to do a much better job of identifying blitzers and getting his counts right) Donnie Avery (consistency) Kendrick Lewis (needs to grow a pair of balls in run support) I see an "elite" player as one that is clearly in the same class as the best in his position. Guys that can match up with anyone in the world and win individual matchups against them consistently. Every year there are 2-3 receivers that Flowers simply can't handle without a second defender being put over the top. Therefore, I don't consider him elite. __________________ Dreams do come true... http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showp...postcount=1407
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