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02-21-2019, 11:46 PM | #91 |
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That would leave us with:
Speaks/draft pick Jones/Hamilton Nnadi/Williams Flowers/Kpass Draft pick/DOD Hitchens/draft pick Draft pick/Ray? Draft pick/Ward Draft pick/Watts Thomas/Lucas McCourtey/Jackson Fuller Those draft picks would be 1 first in the 20s The 29th pick 3 second rounders 1 5th 2 6ths 2 7ths |
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02-21-2019, 11:53 PM | #92 | |
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If the Chiefs are in 'win now" mode, can they afford to let their most dynamic pass rusher go? No draft pick is replacing Ford's production, neither is any free agent. Ford is a premiere SPEED rusher. Houston/Speaks won't get near the pressure as Ford/ANYBODY. I get the sensibilities $-wise in your proposal as well as getting value out of Ford, but given the team's situation as a Superbowl favourite, I'm not sure you eliminate one of its defensive strengths for a bit of money and "potential". |
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02-21-2019, 11:56 PM | #93 |
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It very well may be because he's could be worth #12.
That said, if I'm the GM of another team, I'm devaluing Ford significantly for a few reasons if I'm trading for him. 1. He's relatively one-dimensional. Although his backside pursuit against the run was significantly better this season, he's still a liability when run directly at. 2. He's had a back injury history, which seldom go completely away. 3. There's a good class of FA edge rushers and a good class of edge rushers in the draft, plus if KC retains Ford there's a good chance they have to cut Houston who'd be a good signing. I placed his value at a 2nd and 4th, but again that's being pretty conservative. |
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My money is still on Ford being retained by KC, and Houston cut. |
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One thing I don't see many people talking about that I think should be considered is what about leaving Chris Jones at the SDE spot? Then going to FA or the draft for a DT. |
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02-22-2019, 12:06 AM | #96 |
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Ford's a great speed pass rusher, but that's literally the only part of his game that is above average let alone 'elite'. Houston is a plus player in all areas other than perhaps pass coverage. |
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02-22-2019, 12:39 AM | #99 |
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No I think that would be a mistake. his ability to pressure from INSIDE is elite and second only to Aaron Donald. I don't think you want to mess with that.
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and I think you UNDERestimate the fact that any drafted edge rusher would be unlikely to match Ford's pass rush production as a rookie. IF you're a team like, say, Green Bay who's window is closing fast, would you rather wait and hope a guy develops or would you take a guy that you know can do it at the NFL level-PROVIDED that your team doctors are convinced the surgery last offseason fixed the back issue? it's an 'IF' for sure, but if your window is NOW or not at all, it's not as big a risk as a rookie. I mean, it's just not. If you're Green Bay, and you've got 2 #1's, might you not strongly consider adding 13 sacks for the tag money at #30? Are you really likely to get that production out of that spot while Rodgers is still Rodgers? I think you'd have to think long and hard about it; particularly if there are other picks in the mix. I mean, the only reason The Chiefs can't keep Houston AND Ford is that our Defense was #31 and we need to get some players to improve and can't unless we move on from ONE of these guys at least. If I'm Green Bay, I want that production, I need it now, because Rodgers is running out of time. |
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02-22-2019, 12:50 AM | #101 |
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Houston is so much better than Ford and its not close. Im not giving Ford 16 mil guaranteed
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02-22-2019, 12:51 AM | #102 |
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Trade Ford for Javier Arenas or Brandon Carr or Brandon Flowers
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particularly as a run defender. I mean, I don't see Ford as a starter on a top ten run defense. All you have to do is run at him. I literally watched a run play off tackle in the first quarter where the Colts blocked him one on one with a WIDE RECEIVER who cleared him right the **** out of the path of the ball carrier. Now that's one bad play, it's true. But shit, man. A WIDE RECEIVER. I mean, damn. Houston as a DE will get you double digit sacks (no coverage snaps) plus he'll be guaranteed one on one pass rush opportunities as a RULE next to Jones. Ford, if he wins, wins fast and it's dramatic, but Houston wins MORE OFTEN it's just not as dramatic because it's not as FAST. but he's just as effective. I'd put money on it that if we were to keep Houston and play him every down at RDE and he's healthy all year, he'll match Ford's 13 sacks. he was only 4 away this year and missed what, 5 games? He's the better player and it works out financially cheaper. I'm appreciating the spirited and educated discussion by the way. Talk me out of it. Convince me. |
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Get rid of Ford and Houston?
I understand some of the rationale behind this both financial and value wise it makes sense, but damn the passrush will go to shit next year IF both of them are gone. Think of the consequences of that decision. I get the benefits out of it but keep in mind passrushers are a premium in this league and ain’t easy to find. We get rid of them we better make sure we make up for it someway or somehow either by turning around the secondary into a stout unit and be creative in creating pressure from somewhere or hopefully sign an under the radar guy for less money that could get to the QB and find a gem somewhere in the draft...I don’t know. But those are tough decisions.
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