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C-Mac · 11-29-2007, 08:18 AM

Croyle

Injury could force Croyle to sit Sunday
By ADAM TEICHER
The Kansas City Star

Chiefs quarterback Brodie Croyle was obviously out of sorts early in last week’s game against Oakland after he took a knee in the back from a Raiders player.

Croyle moved around in evident discomfort, wore a stimulating wrap while on the sideline and even retreated to the locker room at one point for an injection to deaden the pain.

But Croyle played through the pain, and the general assumption by outside observers was that he would be fine for this week’s game against San Diego at Arrowhead Stadium.

Those closer to Croyle realized otherwise.

“It didn’t look that bad, but you could tell it was bad,” reserve quarterback Tyler Thigpen said. “I know from the type of person Brodie is that he was hurting. Just from the way he was talking and holding his posture and everything, you could tell.”

Croyle wouldn’t discuss the exact nature of the injury. He didn’t practice Wednesday as the Chiefs began preparations for the Chargers game. He wasn’t confident he would be able to practice today or play on Sunday.

“If we can (practice) by Friday, we’ve got a good shot,” Croyle said. “I’m not in this thing deep enough where I can do the Steve McNair thing and not practice and then just go in and play. I’m still young in this league, and I still need all the snaps I can get.”

Coach Herm Edwards agreed that Croyle would play if he could practice by Friday.

“Remember, he’s taken (practice snaps) like a starter from the beginning,” Edwards said. “We’re not going to put him in harm’s way. If he’s not mobile enough to get out of the way (of the pass rush), then it doesn’t make any sense.”

Damon Huard, who began the season as the starter before being replaced by Croyle earlier this month, stepped in at practice Wednesday. He would start against the Chargers if Croyle doesn’t play.

“Physically, I feel pretty good,” Huard said. “I certainly haven’t taken the hits and my body has recovered a little bit. It wasn’t that long ago, so hopefully the timing is still there. It was good out there at practice.”

Croyle took the hit on the second offensive play of the game. He rolled to his right and, unable to find an open receiver, tucked the ball under his arm to run.

He gained 4 yards but paid the price. He threw his only interception of the game on the next play.

When he got to the sideline, Croyle received attention from Chiefs medical personnel and Huard warmed up as if he was getting ready to replace Croyle.

That never happened. Croyle continued to play to the finish and the Raiders beat the Chiefs 20-17.

“He fought through it and played,” Edwards said. “That’s what kind of kid he is. He’s a tough guy. He got through it, but he was still sore the next day.”

Croyle said little about the injury to reporters afterward.

“You don’t ever want to make a big deal about injuries,” he said. “If it’s bad enough to make a big deal out of, you shouldn’t be in the game.”

Croyle has made only two starts for the Chiefs, but is used to the idea that quarterbacks have to play through pain. The right-handed Croyle played almost his entire sophomore season at Alabama with a separated left shoulder.

“But that,” he said, “was a little different than this.”

Huard took several severe hits as the starter in the first nine games. He was sidelined by a hit to the head in the fourth quarter of a September game against Chicago.

He was also sent out in the fourth quarter of last month’s game against Jacksonville because of an injured shoulder that the Chiefs initially believed would prevent him from playing in the following week’s game, but Huard played.

“You’re a sitting duck a lot of times back there,” he said. “Brodie certainly fought through some good shots. It’s never fun to get hit back there.”

Chiefs Pantalones · 11-29-2007, 03:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Hootie

Gay gay gay gay gay GAY...I know the season is over. I don't give a shit about the season. I want Croyle to play. In fact, I don't give a shit about Damon Huard.

All I'm saying is, the people who were running around bashing Huard at every given opportunity should be somewhat ashamed...you know, after seeing Croyle operate the offense at an even less successful rate.

You missed the point, but that was expected.

FAX · 11-29-2007, 03:50 PM

There is trueness in your words of iron, Mr. Vanilla Thunder. But, Mr. Hootie has a point. This oline is so awful that Croyle may wind up dead which doesn't really help.

Originally, I thought that they could at least protect him long enough to get the ball out on short and medium drops. Quick release and all that. I also thought that his ability to roll out could help with the protection. Unfortunately, they are worse than I dared to dream.

We're in a heck of a quandry here. Don't start Croyle and waste valuable PT. Start Croyle and waste a valuable quarterback. Damn. Just damn.

FAX

FAX · 11-29-2007, 03:52 PM

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Originally Posted by MIAdragon

Experience. If the kid cant take a few sacks and needs to be protected under glass I don’t care how great his arm looks, we would need to look else ware.

He's tough as nails, Mr. MIAdragon. Don't worry about that. But our puss protection is so bad that it's only a matter of time before they'll bring out a cart for whomever is under center, unfortunately.

FAX

Thrillhouse · 11-29-2007, 03:55 PM

Chiefnj2 · 11-29-2007, 03:55 PM

There is no guarantee the line will be that much better next year. Remember all the people that thought the line was going to better this year because McIntosh was better than Black and Welbourn was moving to his natural position and Terry was going to be an improvement at RT over Welbourn?

You can't protect the kid forever.

MIAdragon · 11-29-2007, 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by FAX

He's tough as nails, Mr. MIAdragon. Don't worry about that. But our puss protection is so bad that it's only a matter of time before they'll bring out a cart for whomever is under center, unfortunately.

FAX

Mr. Fax do you think our line is worse than Huston’s was in the last few years? How many times did Carr get sacked? We cant not start the kid because our line is bad can we?

Hootie · 11-29-2007, 03:58 PM

well they have to draft a LT in day 1 and move McIntosh to RT...then they have to find a G and a C in free agency...sounds easy, but I doubt Carl can execute it.

FAX · 11-29-2007, 04:14 PM

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Originally Posted by MIAdragon

Mr. Fax do you think our line is worse than Huston’s was in the last few years? How many times did Carr get sacked? We cant not start the kid because our line is bad can we?

Point. That's a darn good question about Houston's line for comparison's sake. I haven't looked at the sack stats in a while, but I would sure hate to see Croyle's career go the way of Carr's.

Nevertheless, Croyle's a player. I don't think he'll use Downfield's human ball technique to protect himself. If he plays like he did in college, he'll put himself at risk and if he can play, he will. Hurt or no.

FAX

BigRock · 11-29-2007, 04:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Hootie

All I'm saying is, the people who were running around bashing Huard at every given opportunity should be somewhat ashamed...you know, after seeing Croyle operate the offense at an even less successful rate.

The people who should be ashamed are the ones who had a stroke after the Indy game, when the offense featured a leashed-in short pass gameplan designed to keep Brodie off the turf, and are now blaming "Herm's offense" for Brodie getting hurt after a game where he was sacked nearly every time he dropped back to throw the ball over 10 yards.

**Easy 6** · 11-29-2007, 04:33 PM

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Originally Posted by BigRock

The people who should be ashamed are the ones who had a stroke after the Indy game, when the offense featured a leashed-in short pass gameplan designed to keep Brodie off the turf, and are now blaming "Herm's offense" for Brodie getting hurt after a game where he was sacked nearly every time he dropped back to throw the ball over 10 yards.

Once again, BigRock makes a Big play when the team needs one.

**HemiEd** · 11-29-2007, 04:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Hootie

It wouldn't surprise me...for some reason we play better as a team when Huard starts...

You DID NOT say that!

**HemiEd** · 11-29-2007, 04:47 PM

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Originally Posted by MTG#10

I would rather start Thigpen than Huard. Playing Huard does absolutely nothing for our future.

I agree with you. He could be an instant Star, we deserve for something like that to happen just once.
Bill Kenney made a miraculous first appearance.

**HemiEd** · 11-29-2007, 04:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Hootie

Thigpen does nothing for our future, either.

Why do you say that?

GarySpFc · 11-29-2007, 05:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Hootie

I'm glad Croyle is starting but our offense is worse now without Huard...Huard never had a back that had 150 yards rushing and 2 TD's, did he?

Ding Dong, maybe you can figure out why not.

GarySpFc · 11-29-2007, 05:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Hootie

The only thing I like about Huard is he ONLY targets two guys (our best players) and doesn't worry about anything else...and come crunch time, it was often successful, because he was winning games in the 4th quarter with Tony Gonzalez and Dwayne Bowe.

Let me see if I can figure this out. Huard won games in the 4th quarter by going third and out how many times? For some reason that does not compute with me.

11-29-2007, 08:18 AM
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FAX testing ... 1, 2, 3 Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Tennessee Casino cash: $6753759	There is trueness in your words of iron, Mr. Vanilla Thunder. But, Mr. Hootie has a point. This oline is so awful that Croyle may wind up dead which doesn't really help. Originally, I thought that they could at least protect him long enough to get the ball out on short and medium drops. Quick release and all that. I also thought that his ability to roll out could help with the protection. Unfortunately, they are worse than I dared to dream. We're in a heck of a quandry here. Don't start Croyle and waste valuable PT. Start Croyle and waste a valuable quarterback. Damn. Just damn. FAX
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