Football Contract money vs legacy - Page 7

Lprechaun · 07-03-2019, 01:03 PM

Since we do now have Mahomes, he will retire as a Chief, and with the upcoming contract for him (ungodly numbers) I got thinking about what he has shown so far and wondered if it could turn into a club friendly contract to ensure the ability to get more talent around him.
Its really a money issue, what is enough and what is in the end just simply not needed. His agent doesnt jump at money, he is quirky but smart. He told Mahomes the money would show up and he needed to concentrate on the game.
PM2 didnt come from a poor family living in squalor, I think legacy might mean more to him than a bigger NFL contract.
As this team turns the page from the Pats as the team where players want to go we will have no shortage of team friendly contracts of players wanting a championship.
OR is money that important and we just hope we can draft well enough to put a team around him?
(He deserves every cent, I see him not taking it like others have just to have it.)

RunKC · 07-04-2019, 10:07 PM

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Originally Posted by jjchieffan

Are you serious?? Do you even pay attention to quarterback salaries?? $20 million us the kind of money that ElFraud pays to shitty quarterbacks like Flacco and Keesum. There are 17 quarterbacks that made more than Brady last year, with top deal being $35 million to Wilson. If you think that Brady couldn't have asked for and gotten $35 million your crazy. $20 million for the GOAT is a HUGE discount. And $15 million is a lot of extra money to build a better team with.

He was the 11th highest paid QB last year and they won the Super Bowl. The difference between him and the 2nd highest paid QB was only $4.5 million.

Tom also has the 4th highest cap hit of any QB this season.

Abba-Dabba · 07-04-2019, 10:20 PM

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Originally Posted by jjchieffan

Are you serious?? Do you even pay attention to quarterback salaries?? $20 million us the kind of money that ElFraud pays to shitty quarterbacks like Flacco and Keesum. There are 17 quarterbacks that made more than Brady last year, with top deal being $35 million to Wilson. If you think that Brady couldn't have asked for and gotten $35 million your crazy. $20 million for the GOAT is a HUGE discount. And $15 million is a lot of extra money to build a better team with.

Are you serious? Acting like he is taking a discount while accounting for almost 10% of his team's total cap. 1 ****ing guy out of 53, 10%. Quite the discount from your saintly Tom "take one for the team" Brady. What's the matter with Brady using your logic? 10m/yr not good enough?

DRU · 07-04-2019, 10:24 PM

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Originally Posted by jjchieffan

Even if that extra $200 million is just sitting in a bank doing absolutely nothing for you? Why?? What's the point of having it if you could never possibly hope to spend it?

$200m sitting in a Wealthfront cash account would earn $5m/year.

That's at a 2.5% rate, but of course you can't even keep that much cash in a single account anyway. It would be invested and would generate a lot more than $5m/year in cash flow.

Done properly it could be tax free cash flow.

I wouldn't call that doing nothing. That money would be working hard for him.

PAChiefsGuy · 07-04-2019, 11:09 PM

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Originally Posted by mr. tegu

I’m just surprised at how many people actually believe Brady is actually taking a discount.

There's nothing to believe or not believe it is a fact. He has never been the highest paid player in the NFL yet he is unquestionably the GOAT playing the most important position in football. If that is not taking a discount, then I don't know what is.

In 2016, Brock Osweiller earned more than Brady. Think about that for a second next time you make such a stupid post.

Again, I am not going to hold it against Mahomes if he wants to make as much money as possible. It is what it is. Brady is ultra-competitive and not everyone is like that. But if Mahomes truly wants to win as many SBs as he can he's not going to demand to a ridiculous contract that will pay him a bunch of money he will never spend in his lifetime. Taking less money will allow the Chiefs to use that extra money elsewhere to get him more help. That's a good thing, not bad.

mr. tegu · 07-05-2019, 07:47 AM

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Originally Posted by PAChiefsGuy

There's nothing to believe or not believe it is a fact. He has never been the highest paid player in the NFL yet he is unquestionably the GOAT playing the most important position in football. If that is not taking a discount, then I don't know what is.

In 2016, Brock Osweiller earned more than Brady. Think about that for a second next time you make such a stupid post.

Again, I am not going to hold it against Mahomes if he wants to make as much money as possible. It is what it is. Brady is ultra-competitive and not everyone is like that. But if Mahomes truly wants to win as many SBs as he can he's not going to demand to a ridiculous contract that will pay him a bunch of money he will never spend in his lifetime. Taking less money will allow the Chiefs to use that extra money elsewhere to get him more help. That's a good thing, not bad.

You completely missed my point.

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Originally Posted by Chiefshrink

I get your point because you know he will be compensated on the backside somehow after he retires.

Yep. Or something off the record could easily be going on now.

**jjchieffan** · 07-05-2019, 09:11 AM

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Originally Posted by RubberSponge

Are you serious? Acting like he is taking a discount while accounting for almost 10% of his team's total cap. 1 ****ing guy out of 53, 10%. Quite the discount from your saintly Tom "take one for the team" Brady. What's the matter with Brady using your logic? 10m/yr not good enough?

He could get the most money of any quarterback in the league. There's no disputing that. Russell Wilson is getting $35 million per year. Brady is getting $20 million per year. In what logic is taking $20 million per year when he could get $35 million per year not taking a discount? An extra $15 million per her in cap space is a huge help to the team. I don't understand the logic of your argument here

tredadda · 07-05-2019, 09:14 AM

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Originally Posted by jjchieffan

He could get the most money of any quarterback in the league. There's no disputing that. Russell Wilson is getting $35 million per year. Brady is getting $20 million per year. In what logic is taking $20 million per year when he could get $35 million per year not taking a discount? An extra $15 million per her in cap space is a huge help to the team. I don't understand the logic of your argument here

I think you keep missing how his wife’s net worth which far exceeds his could play a factor in why he takes less than he is worth.

**jjchieffan** · 07-05-2019, 09:21 AM

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Originally Posted by tredadda

I think you keep missing how his wife’s net worth which far exceeds his could play a factor in why he takes less than he is worth.

That is an assumption. Maybe it's a correct assumption. It's certainly plausible. But does anyone really know that he would do things any differently if he was married to her? I mean, if you want to use that logic, couldn't you also say that Mahomes will take a discount because he was already rich?

ChiliConCarnage · 07-05-2019, 09:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Hog's Gone Fishin

He's one hit away from a wheelchair. If he's smart he milks it for all he can.

I agree. You gotta take as much as you can get in this first big contract. You never know. Later on in your career with a huge stack already in the bank is when you could possibly consider taking less.

tredadda · 07-05-2019, 10:07 AM

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Originally Posted by jjchieffan

That is an assumption. Maybe it's a correct assumption. It's certainly plausible. But does anyone really know that he would do things any differently if he was married to her? I mean, if you want to use that logic, couldn't you also say that Mahomes will take a discount because he was already rich?

He could, but he shouldn’t. While his family is well off I doubt that he lives off his family’s money. Plus they don’t have Gisele money. Also Tom might have taken a discount without his wife’s money, we will never know. What we do know is that she is loaded and he has taken discounts. The correlation between her net worth and what he commands is strong.

PAChiefsGuy · 07-05-2019, 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by tredadda

He could, but he shouldn’t. While his family is well off I doubt that he lives off his family’s money. Plus they don’t have Gisele money. Also Tom might have taken a discount without his wife’s money, we will never know. What we do know is that she is loaded and he has taken discounts. The correlation between her net worth and what he commands is strong.

Brady started dating Giselle in 2006. Before that he signed a contract extension in 2005 that was well below the market value for a three-time SB champion.

Tom Brady's 2005 contract: $60 mil, 6 years, $26 mil guaranteed - approximately $10 mil per year. A number that - ironically - was about the same as Eli Manning's rookie contract from 2004. In other words, a 3 time Super Bowl winner (3 times in FOUR years) - gets the same amount as the guy who had never played an NFL game!

http://www.selectsmart.com/DISCUSS/read.php?39,953867

So whole Tom Brady takes less because of Giselle is way overblown because if that was the case he would have been demanding huge contracts before he started dating her.

I am not saying Mahomes should take a huge discount but a couple million less a year is not going to drastically change his life but it could help the Chiefs out a lot when it comes to the cap.

**MahiMike** · 07-05-2019, 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by -King-

The Brady way only exists because he has a wife that makes more money than him.

Wrong. Mahomes has the chance to make as much as Tom on endorsements. He can be in more commercials than Manning and make twice what his contract gives him. This is a new day of earning.

CapsLockKey · 07-05-2019, 11:22 AM

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Originally Posted by PAChiefsGuy

Brady started dating Giselle in 2006. Before that he signed a contract extension in 2005 that was well below the market value for a three-time SB champion.

Tom Brady's 2005 contract: $60 mil, 6 years, $26 mil guaranteed - approximately $10 mil per year. A number that - ironically - was about the same as Eli Manning's rookie contract from 2004. In other words, a 3 time Super Bowl winner (3 times in FOUR years) - gets the same amount as the guy who had never played an NFL game!

http://www.selectsmart.com/DISCUSS/read.php?39,953867

So whole Tom Brady takes less because of Giselle is way overblown because if that was the case he would have been demanding huge contracts before he started dating her.

I am not saying Mahomes should take a huge discount but a couple million less a year is not going to drastically change his life but it could help the Chiefs out a lot when it comes to the cap.

In 2005, Brady wasn't considered the GOAT either. There were better statistical QBs than him back them. It wasn't until they got Moss before Brady really started dominating. The Patriots relied on defense up to that point. He didn't make his first all pro until 2007.

Mahomes got an MVP in his second year. Apples and oranges.

ChiliConCarnage · 07-05-2019, 11:30 AM

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Originally Posted by PAChiefsGuy

Tom Brady's 2005 contract: $60 mil, 6 years, $26 mil guaranteed - approximately $10 mil per year. A number that - ironically - was about the same as Eli Manning's rookie contract from 2004. In other words, a 3 time Super Bowl winner (3 times in FOUR years) - gets the same amount as the guy who had never played an NFL game!

The contracts an extension of a deal that he still had 2 years under getting paid peanuts. You're going to get less for signing early like that off a cheap contract.

In 2004, Brady had basically what tied for his best season at 3700 yards 28 TDs and 14 interceptions. Peyton Manning threw for 4700, 49 TD, 10 int. It wasn't until 2007 that Brady really broke out in terms of throwing the ball all over the place and also tossing less picks. 30 and up Brady has been almost a different QB than 20's Brady.

edit: caplock beat me to it, got distracted by work

PAChiefsGuy · 07-05-2019, 11:39 AM

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Originally Posted by ChiliConCarnage

The contracts an extension of a deal that he still had 2 years under getting paid peanuts. You're going to get less for signing early like that off a cheap contract.

In 2004, Brady had basically what tied for his best season at 3700 yards 28 TDs and 14 interceptions. Peyton Manning threw for 4700, 49 TD, 10 int. It wasn't until 2007 that Brady really broke out in terms of throwing the ball all over the place and also tossing less picks. 30 and up Brady has been almost a different QB than 20's Brady.

edit: caplock beat me to it, got distracted by work

That is such bs.. Tell me who was Brady throwing to those years he didnt put up big numbers and who was Peyton throwing to?

Typical ff nerds looking at stats. Brady has never been about stats he has always been about winning. You cant judge Brady just on stats. He makes plays when he needs to unlike the choke artist Peyton

07-03-2019, 01:03 PM
Lprechaun Veteran Join Date: Oct 2012 Casino cash: $5096268	Contract money vs legacy Since we do now have Mahomes, he will retire as a Chief, and with the upcoming contract for him (ungodly numbers) I got thinking about what he has shown so far and wondered if it could turn into a club friendly contract to ensure the ability to get more talent around him. Its really a money issue, what is enough and what is in the end just simply not needed. His agent doesnt jump at money, he is quirky but smart. He told Mahomes the money would show up and he needed to concentrate on the game. PM2 didnt come from a poor family living in squalor, I think legacy might mean more to him than a bigger NFL contract. As this team turns the page from the Pats as the team where players want to go we will have no shortage of team friendly contracts of players wanting a championship. OR is money that important and we just hope we can draft well enough to put a team around him? (He deserves every cent, I see him not taking it like others have just to have it.)
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