I can't believe there's not a thread about Gun's interviews on the front page... - Page 7

htismaqe · 05-04-2006, 02:44 PM

Gun did back-to-back interviews on 610 and 810 today, great stuff, I think I might actually become a fan.

I think he's been reading Chiefsplanet for some time. More specifically, the ****er is stealing my research!

First he said that "all great defenses have great safeties" and talked alot about Dawkins and Lynch. Then he went on to say that he and his staff spent alot of time since the end of the season formulating an argument about how to build a defense. He said a great defense is built with first day draft picks (an argument that I made 2 or 3 years ago by going through several rosters and showing how many 1st, 2nd, and 3rd rounders New England, Baltimore, Tampa, and others had for starters). His research led to some interesting points

All of the top defenses in the league had at least 8 1st-day picks starting on defense (except Pittsburgh, they were the anomaly). We had 4 when he got here. The juicy tidbit is that we had 7 last year and he sees 9 this year (I'm guessing that means Hali and Pollard are being counted on to start right away). He also said that in the NFC there were only 4 starting CB's who were not 1st-day draft picks.

PastorMikH · 05-05-2006, 07:58 PM

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Originally Posted by stevieray

It would've been nice if we didn't sustain injuries at each level of the defense.

Injuries and levels, that reminds me of this one fan that I heard about who was injured by diving over a rail at Arrowhead...

The golden oldies are too good to let die.

stevieray · 05-05-2006, 08:00 PM

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Originally Posted by PastorMikH

Injuries and levels, that reminds me of this one fan that I heard about who was injured by diving over a rail at Arrowhead...

The golden oldies are too good to let die.

ya it's funny what your legacy ends up being.

Coogs · 05-06-2006, 08:04 AM

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Originally Posted by stevieray

wow. that's pretty harsh.

Possibly. I just don't see Gun as a solution to the problems on the defensive side of the ball. In fact, I have about as much faith in him as I do in GR. The only time Gun has put a good defense on the field in KC, the defense was littered with Pro-Bowlers and a couple of potential HOF'ers. And even with that cast, the defense was up and down. Top 5 one year, in the teens the next, top 5 the next year, and so on. Plus, he always tinkered with DT's position. Out coached himself with one of the greatest defenders we ever had. Gun contained him more than the opponents did at times.

I just don't have faith in him. I really think for our defense to be good this season, Herm is going to have to call the shots.

On a related note, while watching the NFL Draft on ESPN, the gang reported many times that they have seen Pop Warner teams that could tackle better than the Chiefs defense did last season. To me, that goes right on Gun. DV to an extent, but definately on Gun.

Chiefnj · 05-06-2006, 08:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Coogs

I just don't have faith in him. I really think for our defense to be good this season, Herm is going to have to call the shots.

With the Jets Herm was not typically the playcaller on defense.

stevieray · 05-06-2006, 08:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Coogs

Possibly. I just don't see Gun as a solution to the problems on the defensive side of the ball. In fact, I have about as much faith in him as I do in GR. The only time Gun has put a good defense on the field in KC, the defense was littered with Pro-Bowlers and a couple of potential HOF'ers. And even with that cast, the defense was up and down. Top 5 one year, in the teens the next, top 5 the next year, and so on. Plus, he always tinkered with DT's position. Out coached himself with one of the greatest defenders we ever had. Gun contained him more than the opponents did at times.

I just don't have faith in him. I really think for our defense to be good this season, Herm is going to have to call the shots.

On a related note, while watching the NFL Draft on ESPN, the gang reported many times that they have seen Pop Warner teams that could tackle better than the Chiefs defense did last season. To me, that goes right on Gun. DV to an extent, but definately on Gun.

nice post, but if these guys aren't tackling, that's on them, IMO.

Coogs · 05-06-2006, 08:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj

With the Jets Herm was not typically the playcaller on defense.

I guess I wasn't real clear on what I meant. I was not talking on gameday. I was talking more on the lines of the big picture. Give Gun the Blue Print. Then watch over his shoulder carefully everyday to make sure that Blue Print is being followed to a T. A very short leash for Gun.

Coogs · 05-06-2006, 08:21 AM

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Originally Posted by stevieray

but if these guys aren't tackling, that's on them, IMO.

True, but they are Gun's guys. He drafted most of these guys and/or brought them in since he returned to the Chiefs. The first time he was DC here, most all of the guys were already on board when he got here. To me, it all comes back to Gun.

FAX · 05-06-2006, 08:43 AM

I've always been a Gun fan. Always. But, Mr. Coogs' arguments may be changing my mind, somewhat.

It's possible that Gun has built his career on motivating players but has been unable to evolve into the kind of strategist that today's NFL demands. Other DCs and defensive-minded HCs have been able to respond to changes in the game, adapt their schemes and talent, and remain competitive year to year. Gun hasn't seemed to be able to do this. This may be his primary flaw.

Does Herm recognize this? I don't know. But, Herm is defense-oriented and Mr. Coogs' assertion that Herm may provide the overall strategy, leaving the execution, motivation, and on-the-field tactics to Gun, may be exactly right.

FAX

splatbass · 05-06-2006, 08:54 AM

Gun had the problem the last 2 years of being saddled with assistant coaches he didn't want, that just plain sucked, and that didn't believe in his scheme. Now that he has his own guys in there I'm hoping things will change. I think Krumrie may be capable of motivating some of the underachievers like Sims to perform. Only time will tell, but I'm not going to write Gun off yet.

el borracho · 05-06-2006, 09:14 AM

If Sims weren't so lazy he wouldn't get injured all the time! Only lazy guys get hurt playing football!

jspchief · 05-06-2006, 09:21 AM

I'm hoping Gun's use of Bell last year was about covering for a rookie on the other side. I know DJ came out and had an amazing game in week 1, but he also made a lot of rookie mistakes throughout the year. Maybe Gun felt that playing back in coverage was the tougher assignment, so relied on the veteran Bell to handle that stuff more often. I also think there's a chance that they were trying to cover for a less than 100% Bell.

IMO, Gun used both our OLBs wrong. It's like he forced both of them to play outside of their strengths. There's really ony 3 explanations I can come up with:

1. Trying to cover for Bell not being 100%
2. Trying to cover for a rookie at the other OLB position
3. Gun is simply an idiot (which even if you think he's a bad D-coordinator, I would argue that he knows the LB position).

Coogs · 05-06-2006, 09:42 AM

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Originally Posted by splatbass

Gun had the problem the last 2 years of being saddled with assistant coaches he didn't want, that just plain sucked, and that didn't believe in his scheme.

Then why did he come here? And if his scheme is so good, then why all the talk from Herm and the players that indicates we are going cover two?

Coogs · 05-06-2006, 09:45 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

Which of our weaker opponents upgraded any more than we did?

I'm thinking Cleveland, Miami, and Arizona.

jspchief · 05-06-2006, 10:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Coogs

Then why did he come here? And if his scheme is so good, then why all the talk from Herm and the players that indicates we are going cover two?

I've seen only a few mentions of the Cover 2 from actual coaches. Most of the stuff has come across as media speculation.

My guess is we'll play some situational Cover 2, but I don't think we have the personnel to run it as our base package. If we add a CB or FS via FA, that could potentially change.

That's not to say Gun's scheme last year was good. I think it definately needs some fixing, specifically in the secondary. Some of that may have been coaches, and I wonder if some of it is just a bad mix of players. But we need to put our #1 on their #1 and we need to start playing our OLBs to their strengths. I don't want to completely change what we're doing on defense simply because some guys like Mitchell are really starting to shine.

The way I see it, we'll have a new team playing defense. Hali and Hall will boost DE play. Sims and Edwards will boost DT play. Bell and DJ will have a year of experience in the system. Wesley will have a year of experience at FS. And we could potentially have a bunch of other DBs contributing, including Battle, Pollard, Hodge, and maybe even Maxey.

CoMoChief · 05-06-2006, 10:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Coogs

Possibly. I just don't see Gun as a solution to the problems on the defensive side of the ball. In fact, I have about as much faith in him as I do in GR. The only time Gun has put a good defense on the field in KC, the defense was littered with Pro-Bowlers and a couple of potential HOF'ers. And even with that cast, the defense was up and down. Top 5 one year, in the teens the next, top 5 the next year, and so on. Plus, he always tinkered with DT's position. Out coached himself with one of the greatest defenders we ever had. Gun contained him more than the opponents did at times.

I just don't have faith in him. I really think for our defense to be good this season, Herm is going to have to call the shots.

On a related note, while watching the NFL Draft on ESPN, the gang reported many times that they have seen Pop Warner teams that could tackle better than the Chiefs defense did last season. To me, that goes right on Gun. DV to an extent, but definately on Gun.

the coaches cant tackle the players themselves, the players have to do it

05-04-2006, 02:44 PM
htismaqe 'Tis my eye! Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Chiefsplanet Casino cash: $8069900	I can't believe there's not a thread about Gun's interviews on the front page... Gun did back-to-back interviews on 610 and 810 today, great stuff, I think I might actually become a fan. I think he's been reading Chiefsplanet for some time. More specifically, the ****er is stealing my research! First he said that "all great defenses have great safeties" and talked alot about Dawkins and Lynch. Then he went on to say that he and his staff spent alot of time since the end of the season formulating an argument about how to build a defense. He said a great defense is built with first day draft picks (an argument that I made 2 or 3 years ago by going through several rosters and showing how many 1st, 2nd, and 3rd rounders New England, Baltimore, Tampa, and others had for starters). His research led to some interesting points All of the top defenses in the league had at least 8 1st-day picks starting on defense (except Pittsburgh, they were the anomaly). We had 4 when he got here. The juicy tidbit is that we had 7 last year and he sees 9 this year (I'm guessing that means Hali and Pollard are being counted on to start right away). He also said that in the NFC there were only 4 starting CB's who were not 1st-day draft picks.
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FAX testing ... 1, 2, 3 Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Tennessee Casino cash: $6753759	I've always been a Gun fan. Always. But, Mr. Coogs' arguments may be changing my mind, somewhat. It's possible that Gun has built his career on motivating players but has been unable to evolve into the kind of strategist that today's NFL demands. Other DCs and defensive-minded HCs have been able to respond to changes in the game, adapt their schemes and talent, and remain competitive year to year. Gun hasn't seemed to be able to do this. This may be his primary flaw. Does Herm recognize this? I don't know. But, Herm is defense-oriented and Mr. Coogs' assertion that Herm may provide the overall strategy, leaving the execution, motivation, and on-the-field tactics to Gun, may be exactly right. FAX
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jspchief BAMF Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Your Face Casino cash: $9998710	I'm hoping Gun's use of Bell last year was about covering for a rookie on the other side. I know DJ came out and had an amazing game in week 1, but he also made a lot of rookie mistakes throughout the year. Maybe Gun felt that playing back in coverage was the tougher assignment, so relied on the veteran Bell to handle that stuff more often. I also think there's a chance that they were trying to cover for a less than 100% Bell. IMO, Gun used both our OLBs wrong. It's like he forced both of them to play outside of their strengths. There's really ony 3 explanations I can come up with: 1. Trying to cover for Bell not being 100% 2. Trying to cover for a rookie at the other OLB position 3. Gun is simply an idiot (which even if you think he's a bad D-coordinator, I would argue that he knows the LB position). __________________ Courage is not the absence of fear but rather the judgment that something is more important than fear. The brave may not live forever but the cautious do not live at all.
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