Manhattan Kansas going after anything even resembling 12 different breeds.

[BIG_DADDY]

I got to pat myself on the back, some of you said I was crazy. WTF is going on out there in Kansas and Missouri? The mass majority of the country is throwing out BSL but you guys are catering to PETA and HSUS like nobody else by far. Fast track to the slaughter of man's best friend.

Sec. 6-25. Dangerous dogs.
(a) As used in this section, “dangerous dog” shall mean and include any of the following:
(1) Any dog, whether purebred or mix, which is more than ninety (90) days
old, and has the appearance and characteristics of any one or more of the
following breed(s):
i. American Pit Bull Terrier
ii. American Staffordshire Terrier
iii. Bull Terrier
iv. Staffordshire Bull Terrier
v. Argentine Dogo
vi. Cane Corso
vii. Dogue de Bordeaux
viii. Dogo Cubano
ix. Dogo Sardesco
x. Fila Brasileiro
xi. Perro de Presa Canario
xii. Wolf hybrids
(2) Any dog which has attacked a human being or domestic animal without
provocation; or
(3) Any dog, while at-large, that, without provocation, exhibits aggression or
combativeness toward a person or another domestic animal in an apparent
attack, whether or not said person or animal is actually attacked, bitten, or
otherwise physically injured; or
(4) Any dog kept or harbored primarily, or in part, for the purpose of dog
fighting, or any dog trained for dog fighting; or
(5) Any dog, not owned by a governmental or law enforcement unit, used
primarily to guard public or private property; or
(6) Any dog which is known to his keeper or harborer, or reasonably should
be known to his keeper or harborer, to have a propensity, tendency or
disposition to attack unprovoked, to cause injury or to otherwise endanger
the safety of human beings or domestic animals. It is hereby declared to

[Easy 6]

Originally Posted by BIG_DADDY

Go ahead and put him down, if you can.

If he's the kinda guy that likes to make animals fight each other, i wont have to, someone else in that circle of people surely will over somethin'.

[BIG_DADDY]

Originally Posted by scott free

If he's the kinda guy that likes to make animals fight each other, i wont have to, someone else in that circle of people surely will over somethin'.

He isn't making any dog do anything it doesn't want to do, that's why they have scratching. I'm not a dog fighter BTW but I know several. Pretty tight knit group actually. Very hard to get in that circle. They fight dogs all over the place and they almost never get busted. That's how tight it is. Best guys to get your pet pit from as well because they have a zero tolerance policy for any dog that ever shows human aggression. You may not like what they do but the dogs they produce are incredible and very stable. They make great house dogs.

For the record dog fighting has only gotten more popular over the years especially in Russia and Japan. Outlawing it has actually caused far more problems than it's solved but that's another subject. All you have to do is look at Japan to know that's true.

[alnorth]

Personally, I think this law is rather extreme. Some restrictions are fine, but the mandatory neutering and all those hoops you need to jump through to keep one should be toned down a lot.

Speaking strictly from the cold and calculating point of view of the insurance company I work for, the sooner these dogs are exterminated, the better. These animals seem to eat people and poop liability claims.

[wutamess]

Originally Posted by BIG_DADDY

He isn't making any dog do anything it doesn't want to do, that's why they have scratching. I'm not a dog fighter BTW but I know several. Pretty tight knit group actually. Very hard to get in that circle. They fight dogs all over the place and they almost never get busted. That's how tight it is. Best guys to get your pet pit from as well because they have a zero tolerance policy for any dog that ever shows human aggression. You may not like what they do but the dogs they produce are incredible and very stable. They make great house dogs.

For the record dog fighting has only gotten more popular over the years especially in Russia and Japan. Outlawing it has actually caused far more problems than it's solved but that's another subject. All you have to do is look at Japan to know that's true.

Let me make sure I'm reading this right.
You're against deadbeat owners that own Pits but you're for owners that breed fighting pits that are good to people?

Dude... If that's the case then I've yet to figure you out.
Kill'em all.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by BIG_DADDY

He isn't making any dog do anything it doesn't want to do, that's why they have scratching. I'm not a dog fighter BTW but I know several. Pretty tight knit group actually. Very hard to get in that circle. They fight dogs all over the place and they almost never get busted. That's how tight it is. Best guys to get your pet pit from as well because they have a zero tolerance policy for any dog that ever shows human aggression. You may not like what they do but the dogs they produce are incredible and very stable. They make great house dogs.

For the record dog fighting has only gotten more popular over the years especially in Russia and Japan. Outlawing it has actually caused far more problems than it's solved but that's another subject. All you have to do is look at Japan to know that's true.

Wow, you're actually serious here.

Yeah, b/c a dog that wants to maim other dogs is clearly stable. I'm sure that an animal with the intellectual capacity of a 3 year old is able to make a snap distinction between a dog (which it wants to kill) and an infant. I'm equally certain these noble dog fighters that don't tolerate human aggression are completely above the board. These pillars of moral fiber wouldn't dare sacrifice their integrity when breeding and choosing dogs which will then be used to rip the throat out of another ill-tempered beast for sport. Good folks there, I know I'd stake the life of my child on their barometer for human agression...

Y'know what you really have to worry about, those Labrador dog fighting rings.

Waaaaaaaay too many dogs are put down every day for me to give a crap if they ban Pits. You keep making these slippery slope arguments ("if they ban Pits, they're coming for your Golden Retriever next") which are completely baseless.

For every single 'fact' you can bring up from pitbullsarethegreatest.com, there is an actual objective source saying just the opposite. Those damn media types have a lot to gain by persecuting pit bulls...oh wait...

And the reason few people chime in when you're on one of these rants, is that it just isn't worth the effort. They'll be met with nothing but vitriole. Why argue with a brick wall?

As far as I'm concerned, you and that heathen breed lost any and all credibility when you decided to support dog fighting as "nothing they don't want to do"...

[Logical]

Troy,

I am no animal lover, but even I don't see how you can support the people who would engage in the cruelty of dog fighting.

Color me suprised.

[wutamess]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Wow, you're actually serious here.

Yeah, b/c a dog that wants to maim other dogs is clearly stable. I'm sure that an animal with the intellectual capacity of a 3 year old is able to make a snap distinction between a dog (which it wants to kill) and an infant. I'm equally certain these noble dog fighters that don't tolerate human aggression are completely above the board. These pillars of moral fiber wouldn't dare sacrifice their integrity when breeding and choosing dogs which will then be used to rip the throat out of another ill-tempered beast for sport. Good folks there, I know I'd stake the life of my child on their barometer for human agression...

Y'know what you really have to worry about, those Labrador dog fighting rings.

Waaaaaaaay too many dogs are put down every day for me to give a crap if they ban Pits. You keep making these slippery slope arguments ("if they ban Pits, they're coming for your Golden Retriever next") which are completely baseless.

For every single 'fact' you can bring up from pitbullsarethegreatest.com, there is an actual objective source saying just the opposite. Those damn media types have a lot to gain by persecuting pit bulls...oh wait...

And the reason few people chime in when you're on one of these rants, is that it just isn't worth the effort. They'll be met with nothing but vitriole. Why argue with a brick wall?

As far as I'm concerned, you and that heathen breed lost any and all credibility when you decided to support dog fighting as "nothing they don't want to do"...

2nd nominee for post of the year candidate.

[wutamess]

Originally Posted by Logical

Troy,

I am no animal lover, but even I don't see how you can support the people who would engage in the cruelty of dog fighting.

Color me suprised.

Logical, we don't understand.
We're ignorant/idiotic.

[BIG_DADDY]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Wow, you're actually serious here.

Yeah, b/c a dog that wants to maim other dogs is clearly stable. I'm sure that an animal with the intellectual capacity of a 3 year old is able to make a snap distinction between a dog (which it wants to kill) and an infant. I'm equally certain these noble dog fighters that don't tolerate human aggression are completely above the board. These pillars of moral fiber wouldn't dare sacrifice their integrity when breeding and choosing dogs which will then be used to rip the throat out of another ill-tempered beast for sport. Good folks there, I know I'd stake the life of my child on their barometer for human agression...

Y'know what you really have to worry about, those Labrador dog fighting rings.

Waaaaaaaay too many dogs are put down every day for me to give a crap if they ban Pits. You keep making these slippery slope arguments ("if they ban Pits, they're coming for your Golden Retriever next") which are completely baseless.

For every single 'fact' you can bring up from pitbullsarethegreatest.com, there is an actual objective source saying just the opposite. Those damn media types have a lot to gain by persecuting pit bulls...oh wait...

And the reason few people chime in when you're on one of these rants, is that it just isn't worth the effort. They'll be met with nothing but vitriole. Why argue with a brick wall?

As far as I'm concerned, you and that heathen breed lost any and all credibility when you decided to support dog fighting as "nothing they don't want to do"...

You couldn't be more wrong throughout this entire post.

1. I didn't call them noble dog fighters those are words you are putting in my mouth. Fact of the matter is they can't have any human aggressive tendencies for safety reasons.
2. There are many, many, many people with children and pit bulls. I know of at least 20 currently. None has ever had an issue. Like I said I bring mine and my buddy Jeff's to the park with a sign that says pet a real pit bull and convert hundreds of people every year. Never had an issue.
3. As far as your slippery slope comment goes it's not baseless. MOF the history of BSL clearly shows they start adding breeds as soon as possible. BSL is failing in this country though because the experts are proving clearly that pit bulls are not more likely to bite humans than other breeds. For this reason the direction has changed and the objective of the BSL types is becoming very clear. If your dog weighs more than 100 pounds, he may be affected by size restrictions. For example, in Fairfield, Iowa, the following are considered restricted breeds: Akbash, Anatolian shepherd, Alapaha blue blood bulldog, Borzoi, bull mastiff, Dogue de Bordeauxs, Estrela mountain dog, Great Pyrenees, Italian mastiff, Komondor, Kangal dog, Kuvasz, Leonberger, Neopolitan mastiff, Newfoundland, Otterhound, St. Bernard and the Spanish mastiff.

Here is another list of breeds banned:
American pit bull terrier, American Staffordshire terrier, Staffordshire bull terrier, bull terrier — Monticello, Centerville, Alburnett and Hiawatha, Iowa; Grandview, Mo.; North Little Rock, Ark.; two cities in Kentucky and Washington; Lincoln, N.D. Akita — Ulyssas, Kan. Alaskan malamutes — Fairfield, Iowa. American bulldog — North Little Rock, Ark.; Aurora, Colo.; Akron, Ohio. Belgian malinois — Fairfield, Iowa. Boerboels — Fairfield, Iowa. Cane Corso — Aurora, Colo. Chow chow — Travelers Rest, S.C.; Newport, R.I.; Lynnville, Tenn. Doberman pinscher — Fairfield, Iowa; Sisston, S.D.; Westfield, Ill; Travelers Rest, S.C.; Lynnville, Tenn.; Buffalo Center, Iowa. Dogo Argentino — Aurora, Colo. English mastiffs — Yale, Iowa. Fila Brasileiro (also known as the Fila and Brazilian mastiff) — Aurora, Colo. German shepherd — Fairfield, Iowa; Lynnville, Tenn. Great Dane — Fairfield, Iowa. Irish wolfhound — Fairfield, Iowa. Mastiffs — Fairfield, Iowa. Malamutes — Fairfield, Iowa. Presa Mallorquin (also known as the Ca de Bou) — Aurora, Colo. Presa Canario — Lanett, Ala.; Aurora, Colo. Rottweiler — North Little Rock, Ark.; Buffalo Grove, Ill.; Fairfield, Conrad, Lake Mills and Lockridge, Iowa; Walkerton, Ind.; Inman, Kan.; Carl Junction and Salisbury, Mo.; Binghamton, N.Y.; Velva, N.D.; Pawtuckett, R.I.; Travelers Rest, S.C.; Lynnville, Tenn.; Smithville, Utah; Neah Bay, Wash.; Buffalo Center, Iowa. Scottish deerhounds — Fairfield, Iowa. Shar Pei — Smithfield, Utah. Siberian huskies — Fairfield, Iowa. Tosa Inu — Aurora, Colo., and the wolf-hybrid.

[BIG_DADDY]

Originally Posted by wutamess

2nd nominee for post of the year candidate.

Yea OK.

Originally Posted by wutamess

Logical, we don't understand.
We're ignorant/idiotic.

Where did I call you that? Where did I call you anything for that matter?

[MOhillbilly]

Originally Posted by scott free

If he's the kinda guy that likes to make animals fight each other, i wont have to, someone else in that circle of people surely will over somethin'.

you cant make anything fight if it chooses not to fight.

[MOhillbilly]

Originally Posted by Logical

Troy,

I am no animal lover, but even I don't see how you can support the people who would engage in the cruelty of dog fighting.

Color me suprised.

its nomore cruel than anyother animal sport.

though id say imo most gamedogs owners are no better than most joeblow pitbull owners.

[BIG_DADDY]

Originally Posted by Logical

Troy,

I am no animal lover, but even I don't see how you can support the people who would engage in the cruelty of dog fighting.

Color me suprised.

I'm not supporting anybody, I just get my dogs from there. Truth is I have saved many dogs from the pit and find them good homes, yes with children. You saw one of my placements here that came from MAyday stock. If you want to know how I feel about dog fighting legislation I think it creates more problems than it solves. Truth is if it was legal and you had to obtain licenses to have fights I believe there would much less dog fighting going on. What would be there is the best of the best and those interested in watching it and gambling on it would only want to see those dogs. It would be highly regulated with the correct medical atttention there. Japan is a great example.

[MOhillbilly]

Originally Posted by BIG_DADDY

I'm not supporting anybody, I just get my dogs from there. Truth is I have saved many dogs from the pit and find them good homes, yes with children. You saw one of my placements here that came from MAyday stock. If you want to know how I feel about dog fighting legislation I think it creates more problems than it solves. Truth is if it was legal and you had to obtain licenses to have fights I believe there would much less dog fighting going on. What would be there is the best of the best and those interested in watching it and gambling on it would only want to see those dogs. It would be highly regulated with the correct medical atttention there. Japan is a great example.

whats your opinion on the amount of dogs that have to be started?Bulldogs are predisposed to animal aggression,but there is no magic trigger that turns them on.
id say minimum 90% have to be started by an older schooled out dog.
i think thats the part that most people friend or foe of the pitbull dont get.

[BIG_DADDY]

Originally Posted by MOhillbilly

its nomore cruel than anyother animal sport.

though id say imo most gamedogs owners are no better than most joeblow pitbull owners.

Here is what I find amazing. Nobody gives a shit about the fact that they kill tons of Greyhounds every year so they can watch a race. Obviously they have no issues with commiting genocide against certain breeds killing massive amounts of dogs. But if two people decide to let their dogs fight their considered cruel barbaric assholes who should be put down? Where is the logic behind that? I wonder what the dog would have to say about all of this is he could talk.